[kictanet] Plots for sale
James Mbugua
jgmbugua at gmail.com
Thu Nov 21 14:51:44 EAT 2013
...He could easily find himself kicked out for deliberate abuse of forum.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> @Kamire,
>
> where is the ICT connection here?
>
> unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-)
>
> walu.
> jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling
> anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to
> un-subscribe enmasse.
>
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> On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <tkamire at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM
>
> Hi guy and
> selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They
> are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already
> there if interested get in touch with. Prices are
> negotiable.
> Yours truly
> Kamire
> Thomas 0722483253
>
> Sent from my iKamire network.
> On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
> wrote:
>
> The list is producing good citizen
> feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into
> government.
> Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof.
> Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly
> correlated to the performance of state projects should
> borrow from the list, even if he's a silent
> listener.
>
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> On 19 November 2013
> 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Did somebody mention SS Mehta?
> Why this cowboy has never been permanently
> blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing
> on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet
> he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always
> coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing
> much when he isn't.
>
>
>
> He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in
> the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those
> other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan
> Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he
> has abandoned previous ones unfinished.
>
>
>
> James
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM,
> Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> For the Chinese guys
> putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right?
> Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of
> space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The
> contractor would not do that without being allowed by the
> council, govt or whichever body is incharge.
>
>
>
>
>
> The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his
> ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will
> start to change. Till then none of our noise making is
> making sense to the guy seated in a Govt
> Mercedes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov
> 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> What i
> find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically
> means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and
> pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and
> want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without
> cheating death?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a
> very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we
> can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both
> infrastructure, the environment and improving overall
> health
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark
>
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> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
> wrote:
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>
>
> Interesting revelations coming through. Nice
> observation Conrad.
> There are these very good widen roads that have been
> build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring
> road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and
> cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries.
> Very impressive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs
> on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in
> the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown
> in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if
> that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider
> us standard-less and shoddy.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT
> issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope
> somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
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> On 19
> November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>
>
> That would explain the ludicrous design of a
> single lane that is also a bus stage
>
> On Tue, Nov
> 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>
>
> We also have a Kenyan
> company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1)
> as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do
> Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind
> Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan
> contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS
> Mehta).
>
> The quality of the works is a matter of why you
> know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend
> taxes :-)
>
> On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
>
>
> We have Kenyan companies building Highways in
> Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs.
> It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and
> impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones
> right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a
> contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best
> incentive in my opinion.
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> On Tue, Nov
> 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> @ Mark, I
> do think that we would ever have heard roads done if
> ever
>
> we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how
> far we got
>
>
>
> during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km
> of a road
>
> for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one
> credit I
> would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg
> is that
> they actually did up the game...
>
> I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised
> above.
>
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> On Tue, Nov
> 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> @ Mark, I do think that
> we would never have heard roads done if ever
>
> we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how
> far we got
>
> during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km
> of a road
>
> for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one
> credit I
>
> would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg
> is that
>
> they actually did up the game...
>
>
>
> I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised
> above.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make
> everything under the sun is
>
> > no a smart move. However building horizontal industries
> where products from
>
> > one industry feed another and by products are the base
> of another shoulfd be
>
> > encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an
> example.
>
> >
>
> > A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still
> need to build and make
>
> > stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American
> Missiles, Chinese iPhones
>
> > etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't
> manufacture and export
>
> > physical goods.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> The first sentence does not lead to the second and
> third:
>
> >>
>
> >> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the
> same time import clothes
>
> >> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton
> and make our clothes. We
>
> >> must defy economic explanations on what works and
> what does not work. If we
>
> >> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land
> records, we would reduce
>
> >> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and
> create more wealth to grow
>
> >> our economy."
>
> >>
>
> >> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment
> of youth doing
>
> >> productive infrastructure work: being teachers,
> building railroads,
>
> >> digitizing land records, etc...
>
> >>
>
> >> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked
> extensively of Comparative
>
> >> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage).
> Sri Lanka
>
> >> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical
> solution for producing
>
> >> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly
> has to do with the port of
>
> >> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a
> 40M person economy (Kenya)
>
> >> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a
> billion person economy (a guess
>
> >> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can
> export to easily).
>
> >>
>
> >> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if
> it wants to bring in
>
> >> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is
> around creating an
>
> >> amazingly well-educated population and doing more
> knowledge work - not
>
> >> producing more clothing.
>
> >>
>
> >> --
>
> >> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io
>
> >> Musings: twitter.com/varud
>
> >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been
> played in this list
>
> >>> countless times before. I remember him
> saying in another thread "you
>
> >>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have
> countless garbage lining our
>
> >>> streets and estates!"
>
> >>>
>
> >>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can
> do it here is basic
>
> >>> economic that any country can master. India
> went that way through the
>
> >>> leadership of Mahatma.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration
> that you served so
>
> >>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth
> of capital on works
>
> >>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking
> about the massive
>
> >>> infrastructure development that took place in
> the last 10years. That
>
> >>> capital could have done our unemployed
> generation justice if it was
>
> >>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build
> decent roads, brides,
>
> >>> buildings and ports. What happened to national
> pride? It's the same
>
> >>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton
> and producing our own
>
> >>> garments.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> We're still not out of the woods yet,
> remember the Korean firm
>
> >>> implementing the PKI?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> My cent-less
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
>
> >
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