[kictanet] Plots for sale

Thu Nov 21 14:41:27 EAT 2013

Are u on this listing group. 

youngprofessionals_ke at googlegroups.com

Sent from my iKamire network. 

On Nov 21, 2013, at 14:27, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

@Kamire,

where is the ICT connection here?

unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-)

walu.
jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse.

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On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <tkamire at gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale
To: jwalu at yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM

Hi guy and
selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They
are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already
there if interested get in touch with. Prices are
negotiable. 
Yours truly
Kamire
Thomas 0722483253

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On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
wrote:

The list is producing good citizen
feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into
government.
Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof.
Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly
correlated to the performance of state projects should
borrow from the list, even if he's a silent
listener.

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On 19 November 2013
13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
wrote:

Did somebody mention SS Mehta?
Why this cowboy has never been permanently
blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing
on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet
he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always
coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing
much when he isn't.

He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in
the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those
other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan
Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he
has abandoned previous ones unfinished.

James

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM,
Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com>
wrote:

For the Chinese guys
putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right?
Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of
space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The
contractor would not do that without being allowed by the
council, govt or whichever body is incharge. 

The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his
ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will
start to change. Till then none of our noise making is
making sense to the guy seated in a Govt
Mercedes. 

On Tue, Nov
19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com>
wrote:

What i
find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically
means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and
pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and
want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without
cheating death? 

Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a
very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we
can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both
infrastructure, the environment and improving overall
health

http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
wrote:

Interesting revelations coming through. Nice
observation Conrad.
There are these very good widen roads that have been
build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring
road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and
cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries.
Very impressive.

Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs
on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in
the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown
in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if
that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider
us standard-less and shoddy.

I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT
issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope
somebody somewhere in authority is listening.

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On 19
November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com>
wrote:

That would explain the ludicrous design of a
single lane that is also a bus stage

On Tue, Nov
19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
wrote:

We also have a Kenyan
company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1)
as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do
Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)

Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind
Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan
contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS
Mehta). 

The quality of the works is a matter of why you
know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend
taxes :-)

On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi  wrote:

We have Kenyan companies building Highways in
Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs.
It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and
impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones
right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a
contractor waste  years if he is not getting paid? Best
incentive in my opinion. 

On Tue, Nov
19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
wrote:

@ Mark, I
do think that we would ever have heard roads done if
ever

we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how
far we got

during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km
of a road

for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one
credit I
would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg
is that
they actually did up the game...

I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised
above.

On Tue, Nov
19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
wrote:

@ Mark, I do think that
we would never have heard roads done if ever

we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how
far we got

during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km
of a road

for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one
credit I

would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg
is that

they actually did up the game...

I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised
above.

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make
everything under the sun is

> no a smart move. However building horizontal industries
where products from

> one industry feed another and by products are the base
of another shoulfd be

> encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an
example.

> 

> A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still
need to build and make

> stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American
Missiles, Chinese iPhones

> etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't
manufacture and export

> physical goods.

> 

> 

> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:

>> 

>> The first sentence does not lead to the second and
third:

>> 

>> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the
same time import clothes

>> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton
and make our clothes.  We

>> must defy economic explanations on what works and
what does not work.  If we

>> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land
records, we would reduce

>> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and
create more wealth to grow

>> our economy."

>> 

>> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment
of youth doing

>> productive infrastructure work: being teachers,
building railroads,

>> digitizing land records, etc...

>> 

>> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked
extensively of Comparative

>> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage).
 Sri Lanka

>> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical
solution for producing

>> cotton clothing than Kenya has.  This mostly
has to do with the port of

>> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a
40M person economy (Kenya)

>> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a
billion person economy (a guess

>> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can
export to easily).

>> 

>> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if
it wants to bring in

>> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is
around creating an

>> amazingly well-educated population and doing more
knowledge work - not

>> producing more clothing.

>> 

>> --

>> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io

>> Musings: twitter.com/varud

>> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson

>> 

>> 

>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>

>> wrote:

>>> 

>>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been
played in this list

>>> countless times before. I  remember him
saying in another thread "you

>>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have
countless garbage lining our

>>> streets and estates!"

>>> 

>>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can
do it here is basic

>>> economic that any country can master. India
went that way through the

>>> leadership of Mahatma.

>>> 

>>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration
that you served so

>>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth
of capital on works

>>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking
about the massive

>>> infrastructure development that took place in
the last 10years. That

>>> capital could have done our unemployed
generation justice if it was

>>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build
decent roads, brides,

>>> buildings and ports. What happened to national
pride? It's the same

>>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton
and producing our own

>>> garments.

>>> 

>>> We're still not out of the woods yet,
remember the Korean firm

>>> implementing the PKI?

>>> 

>>> My cent-less

>>> 

>>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo

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