<div dir="ltr"><br><div>...He could easily find himself kicked out for deliberate abuse of forum.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">@Kamire,<br>
<br>
where is the ICT connection here?<br>
<br>
unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-)<br>
<br>
walu.<br>
jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse.<br>
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On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <<a href="mailto:tkamire@gmail.com">tkamire@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale<br>
To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
Hi guy and<br>
selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They<br>
are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already<br>
there if interested get in touch with. Prices are<br>
negotiable. <br>
Yours truly<br>
Kamire<br>
Thomas <a href="tel:0722483253" value="+254722483253">0722483253</a><br>
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Sent from my iKamire network. <br>
On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
The list is producing good citizen<br>
feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into<br>
government.<br>
Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof.<br>
Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly<br>
correlated to the performance of state projects should<br>
borrow from the list, even if he's a silent<br>
listener.<br>
<br>
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On 19 November 2013<br>
13:36, James Mbugua <<a href="mailto:jgmbugua@gmail.com">jgmbugua@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
Did somebody mention SS Mehta?<br>
Why this cowboy has never been permanently<br>
blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing<br>
on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet<br>
he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always<br>
coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing<br>
much when he isn't.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in<br>
the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those<br>
other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan<br>
Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he<br>
has abandoned previous ones unfinished.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
James<br>
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On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM,<br>
Mark Mwangi <<a href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com">mwangy@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
<br>
For the Chinese guys<br>
putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right?<br>
Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of<br>
space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The<br>
contractor would not do that without being allowed by the<br>
council, govt or whichever body is incharge. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his<br>
ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will<br>
start to change. Till then none of our noise making is<br>
making sense to the guy seated in a Govt<br>
Mercedes. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Tue, Nov<br>
19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <<a href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
What i<br>
find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically<br>
means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and<br>
pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and<br>
want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without<br>
cheating death? <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a<br>
very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we<br>
can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both<br>
infrastructure, the environment and improving overall<br>
health<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark" target="_blank">http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark</a><br>
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On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice<br>
observation Conrad.<br>
There are these very good widen roads that have been<br>
build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring<br>
road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and<br>
cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries.<br>
Very impressive.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs<br>
on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in<br>
the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown<br>
in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if<br>
that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider<br>
us standard-less and shoddy.<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
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<br>
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT<br>
issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope<br>
somebody somewhere in authority is listening.<br>
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On 19<br>
November 2013 09:54, Rad! <<a href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
<br>
That would explain the ludicrous design of a<br>
single lane that is also a bus stage<br>
<br>
On Tue, Nov<br>
19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <<a href="mailto:dmbuvi@gmail.com">dmbuvi@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
We also have a Kenyan<br>
company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1)<br>
as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do<br>
Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind<br>
Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan<br>
contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS<br>
Mehta). <br>
<br>
The quality of the works is a matter of why you<br>
know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend<br>
taxes :-)<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in<br>
Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs.<br>
It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and<br>
impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones<br>
right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a<br>
contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best<br>
incentive in my opinion. <br>
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On Tue, Nov<br>
19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <<a href="mailto:oloo.khisa@googlemail.com">oloo.khisa@googlemail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
@ Mark, I<br>
do think that we would ever have heard roads done if<br>
ever<br>
<br>
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how<br>
far we got<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km<br>
of a road<br>
<br>
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one<br>
credit I<br>
would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg<br>
is that<br>
they actually did up the game...<br>
<br>
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised<br>
above.<br>
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19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <<a href="mailto:oloo.khisa@googlemail.com">oloo.khisa@googlemail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
@ Mark, I do think that<br>
we would never have heard roads done if ever<br>
<br>
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how<br>
far we got<br>
<br>
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km<br>
of a road<br>
<br>
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one<br>
credit I<br>
<br>
would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg<br>
is that<br>
<br>
they actually did up the game...<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised<br>
above.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <<a href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com">mwangy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make<br>
everything under the sun is<br>
<br>
> no a smart move. However building horizontal industries<br>
where products from<br>
<br>
> one industry feed another and by products are the base<br>
of another shoulfd be<br>
<br>
> encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an<br>
example.<br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
> A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still<br>
need to build and make<br>
<br>
> stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American<br>
Missiles, Chinese iPhones<br>
<br>
> etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't<br>
manufacture and export<br>
<br>
> physical goods.<br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <<a href="mailto:adam@varud.com">adam@varud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>><br>
<br>
>> The first sentence does not lead to the second and<br>
third:<br>
<br>
>><br>
<br>
>> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the<br>
same time import clothes<br>
<br>
>> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton<br>
and make our clothes. We<br>
<br>
>> must defy economic explanations on what works and<br>
what does not work. If we<br>
<br>
>> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land<br>
records, we would reduce<br>
<br>
>> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and<br>
create more wealth to grow<br>
<br>
>> our economy."<br>
<br>
>><br>
<br>
>> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment<br>
of youth doing<br>
<br>
>> productive infrastructure work: being teachers,<br>
building railroads,<br>
<br>
>> digitizing land records, etc...<br>
<br>
>><br>
<br>
>> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked<br>
extensively of Comparative<br>
<br>
>> Advantage (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage</a>).<br>
Sri Lanka<br>
<br>
>> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical<br>
solution for producing<br>
<br>
>> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly<br>
has to do with the port of<br>
<br>
>> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a<br>
40M person economy (Kenya)<br>
<br>
>> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a<br>
billion person economy (a guess<br>
<br>
>> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can<br>
export to easily).<br>
<br>
>><br>
<br>
>> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if<br>
it wants to bring in<br>
<br>
>> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is<br>
around creating an<br>
<br>
>> amazingly well-educated population and doing more<br>
knowledge work - not<br>
<br>
>> producing more clothing.<br>
<br>
>><br>
<br>
>> --<br>
<br>
>> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: <a href="http://kili.io" target="_blank">kili.io</a><br>
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>><br>
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>><br>
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>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>
<br>
>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>>><br>
<br>
>>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been<br>
played in this list<br>
<br>
>>> countless times before. I remember him<br>
saying in another thread "you<br>
<br>
>>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have<br>
countless garbage lining our<br>
<br>
>>> streets and estates!"<br>
<br>
>>><br>
<br>
>>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can<br>
do it here is basic<br>
<br>
>>> economic that any country can master. India<br>
went that way through the<br>
<br>
>>> leadership of Mahatma.<br>
<br>
>>><br>
<br>
>>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration<br>
that you served so<br>
<br>
>>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth<br>
of capital on works<br>
<br>
>>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking<br>
about the massive<br>
<br>
>>> infrastructure development that took place in<br>
the last 10years. That<br>
<br>
>>> capital could have done our unemployed<br>
generation justice if it was<br>
<br>
>>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build<br>
decent roads, brides,<br>
<br>
>>> buildings and ports. What happened to national<br>
pride? It's the same<br>
<br>
>>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton<br>
and producing our own<br>
<br>
>>> garments.<br>
<br>
>>><br>
<br>
>>> We're still not out of the woods yet,<br>
remember the Korean firm<br>
<br>
>>> implementing the PKI?<br>
<br>
>>><br>
<br>
>>> My cent-less<br>
<br>
>>><br>
<br>
>>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <<a href="mailto:dmuthoni@gmail.com">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo<br>
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The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>
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