[kictanet] Plots for sale

Fri Nov 22 13:50:47 EAT 2013

No one has done that I only sent to the youngpressionals list. 

Sent from my iKamire network. 

On Nov 21, 2013, at 14:51, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com> wrote:

...He could easily find himself kicked out for deliberate abuse of forum.

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> @Kamire,
> 
> where is the ICT connection here?
> 
> unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-)
> 
> walu.
> jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse.
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> On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <tkamire at gmail.com> wrote:
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>  Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale
>  To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>  Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>  Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM
> 
>  Hi guy and
>  selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They
>  are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already
>  there if interested get in touch with. Prices are
>  negotiable. 
>  Yours truly
>  Kamire
>  Thomas 0722483253
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>  Sent from my iKamire network. 
>  On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
>  wrote:
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>  The list is producing good citizen
>  feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into
>  government.
>  Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof.
>  Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly
>  correlated to the performance of state projects should
>  borrow from the list, even if he's a silent
>  listener.
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>  On 19 November 2013
>  13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
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>  Did somebody mention SS Mehta?
>  Why this cowboy has never been permanently
>  blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing
>  on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet
>  he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always
>  coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing
>  much when he isn't.
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> 
>  He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in
>  the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those
>  other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan
>  Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he
>  has abandoned previous ones unfinished.
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>  James
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>  On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM,
>  Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
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> 
>  For the Chinese guys
>  putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right?
>  Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of
>  space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The
>  contractor would not do that without being allowed by the
>  council, govt or whichever body is incharge. 
> 
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>  The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his
>  ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will
>  start to change. Till then none of our noise making is
>  making sense to the guy seated in a Govt
>  Mercedes. 
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>  On Tue, Nov
>  19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
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>  What i
>  find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically
>  means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and
>  pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and
>  want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without
>  cheating death? 
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>  Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a
>  very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we
>  can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both
>  infrastructure, the environment and improving overall
>  health
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>  http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark
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>  On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
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>  Interesting revelations coming through. Nice
>  observation Conrad.
>  There are these very good widen roads that have been
>  build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring
>  road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and
>  cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries.
>  Very impressive.
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>  Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs
>  on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in
>  the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown
>  in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if
>  that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider
>  us standard-less and shoddy.
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>  I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT
>  issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope
>  somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
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>  On 19
>  November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com>
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>  That would explain the ludicrous design of a
>  single lane that is also a bus stage
> 
>  On Tue, Nov
>  19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
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>  We also have a Kenyan
>  company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1)
>  as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do
>  Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
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>  Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind
>  Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan
>  contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS
>  Mehta). 
> 
>  The quality of the works is a matter of why you
>  know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend
>  taxes :-)
> 
>  On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi  wrote:
> 
> 
>  We have Kenyan companies building Highways in
>  Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs.
>  It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and
>  impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones
>  right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a
>  contractor waste  years if he is not getting paid? Best
>  incentive in my opinion. 
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>  On Tue, Nov
>  19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
>  wrote:
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>  @ Mark, I
>  do think that we would ever have heard roads done if
>  ever
> 
>  we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how
>  far we got
> 
> 
> 
>  during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km
>  of a road
> 
>  for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one
>  credit I
>  would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg
>  is that
>  they actually did up the game...
> 
>  I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised
>  above.
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>  On Tue, Nov
>  19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
>  wrote:
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>  @ Mark, I do think that
>  we would never have heard roads done if ever
> 
>  we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how
>  far we got
> 
>  during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km
>  of a road
> 
>  for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one
>  credit I
> 
>  would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg
>  is that
> 
>  they actually did up the game...
> 
> 
> 
>  I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised
>  above.
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>  On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  > I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make
>  everything under the sun is
> 
>  > no a smart move. However building horizontal industries
>  where products from
> 
>  > one industry feed another and by products are the base
>  of another shoulfd be
> 
>  > encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an
>  example.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still
>  need to build and make
> 
>  > stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American
>  Missiles, Chinese iPhones
> 
>  > etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't
>  manufacture and export
> 
>  > physical goods.
> 
>  >
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>  > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
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>  >>
> 
>  >> The first sentence does not lead to the second and
>  third:
> 
>  >>
> 
>  >> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the
>  same time import clothes
> 
>  >> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton
>  and make our clothes.  We
> 
>  >> must defy economic explanations on what works and
>  what does not work.  If we
> 
>  >> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land
>  records, we would reduce
> 
>  >> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and
>  create more wealth to grow
> 
>  >> our economy."
> 
>  >>
> 
>  >> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment
>  of youth doing
> 
>  >> productive infrastructure work: being teachers,
>  building railroads,
> 
>  >> digitizing land records, etc...
> 
>  >>
> 
>  >> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked
>  extensively of Comparative
> 
>  >> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage).
>   Sri Lanka
> 
>  >> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical
>  solution for producing
> 
>  >> cotton clothing than Kenya has.  This mostly
>  has to do with the port of
> 
>  >> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a
>  40M person economy (Kenya)
> 
>  >> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a
>  billion person economy (a guess
> 
>  >> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can
>  export to easily).
> 
>  >>
> 
>  >> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if
>  it wants to bring in
> 
>  >> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is
>  around creating an
> 
>  >> amazingly well-educated population and doing more
>  knowledge work - not
> 
>  >> producing more clothing.
> 
>  >>
> 
>  >> --
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>  >> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io
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>  >> Musings: twitter.com/varud
> 
>  >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
> 
>  >>
> 
>  >>
> 
>  >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
> 
>  >> wrote:
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>  >>>
> 
>  >>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been
>  played in this list
> 
>  >>> countless times before. I  remember him
>  saying in another thread "you
> 
>  >>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have
>  countless garbage lining our
> 
>  >>> streets and estates!"
> 
>  >>>
> 
>  >>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can
>  do it here is basic
> 
>  >>> economic that any country can master. India
>  went that way through the
> 
>  >>> leadership of Mahatma.
> 
>  >>>
> 
>  >>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration
>  that you served so
> 
>  >>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth
>  of capital on works
> 
>  >>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking
>  about the massive
> 
>  >>> infrastructure development that took place in
>  the last 10years. That
> 
>  >>> capital could have done our unemployed
>  generation justice if it was
> 
>  >>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build
>  decent roads, brides,
> 
>  >>> buildings and ports. What happened to national
>  pride? It's the same
> 
>  >>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton
>  and producing our own
> 
>  >>> garments.
> 
>  >>>
> 
>  >>> We're still not out of the woods yet,
>  remember the Korean firm
> 
>  >>> implementing the PKI?
> 
>  >>>
> 
>  >>> My cent-less
> 
>  >>>
> 
>  >>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  >>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
> 
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