[kictanet] Thika Road Debate

Thu Jun 28 15:43:04 EAT 2012

Listers,

I am very sure Mugo is also asking some of these questions:). Those who have been in Government or work closely with government know that there are so many vested groups and power-houses and that no matter how much one goes in with determination to succeed in their duties, they tend to find several obstacles.
I am not saying that no one should try- I am just saying, I doubt Mugo is in full control of formation of these bodies you are asking about. Maybe at most he has/will make recommedations, which may or may not be read or implemented, depending on various factors.
There is so much re-organisation to be done- maybe the devolved system will iron out some? Waiting to see.
But let Mugo speak for himself here....

Kind regards,

Gilda     
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  Bwana Kibati. Why are there so many bodies to manage roads? That all presumably have separate engineering, support, management and administrative staff. Why?

  Vision 2030 i would like to think is not just about infrastructure and ict. We can also grow this country by streamlining inefficiencies

  On 27 Jun 2012 20:10, "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans at gmail.com> wrote:

    Mr Kibati, have you been on Kenyatta Avenue of late? I bet you probably never find your way to Luthuli Avenue. I dont think it matters who the roads are under, but this is basically an indication of the kind of mediocrity that you must deal with if you will have any hopes of delivering on vision 2030. From shoddy jobs, to shoddy organization. The road between Embassy Roundabout and Museum Hill ( I am not sure if its called Kipande Road) was built less than 15 years ago. Today there is no road there worth talking about. Thats how we do our things. Short term solutions where we should be overhauling the entire system. I am sure right now someone is working on an RFP for that particular road.

    Kenya, and Nairobi in particular, needs to have a complete overhaul of everything. We need to plan this city afresh, from square 1. Then we must come up with a plan for the next 100 years. The big infrastructure projects going on will help a lot in developing the economy, but what will that mean for the peasant who cant get adequate medical care when they are sick? Will our people die of hunger again next year if rains fail? Are we waiting for that to happen so that we can have yet another mega fund raiser on M-Pesa? Everything is just ridiculous if you think about it.

    Your biggest fight is one against this one evil. Nature does not tolerate mediocrity!

    On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Mugo Kibati <mugo at vision2030.go.ke> wrote:

      Upper Hill is under Kenya Urban Roads Authority. We have road expansion and upgrade projects that have taken a while to take off but that have now commenced both in Upper Hill and Eastleigh. KURA is also responsible for the Western Ring Roads projects.

      Sent from my iPad

      On 27 Jun 2012, at 16:16, Paul Roy <roykoikai at gmail.com> wrote:

        What about roads in upperhill? 

        On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Mugo Kibati <mugo at vision2030.go.ke> wrote:

          Listers,

          Been following this discussion and would just like to make a couple of comments:

          1) The roads authorities were created to ensure specific allocation of responsibility which lacked in the past. So Eng. Kidenda as CEO of the Kenya National Highways Authority can be held responsible for the highways and trunk roads but not the urban roads which are squarely the responsibility of the Kenya Urban Roads Authority.

          2) We have a great deal yet to do. As one of you intimated, some of what we are doing ought to have been done on the 60s and while that may be true, we still have to do it today if we didn't do it then. This even as we simultaneously move to the next level. The challenges raised by listers here are precisely what we need to raise the bar!

          Regards,

          Mugo

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          On 27 Jun 2012, at 11:34, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:

            Noted Gaitho. Great article.

            On Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 09:32 AM, Macharia Gaitho wrote:
              Waudo, 

              I did not say that Rural and Urban Roads Authorities lie in Mr Kidenda's docket; I said they fall BELOW has radar. Yaani, they are beneath him. 

              Regards,

              Macharia Gaitho 

              On Jun 26, 2012, at 21:45, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:

                Overall I think Mr Gaitho is right. Kenya is a very advanced country in many respects but the poor roads are an enigma. One does not need to go far. I was impressed with the roads in Addis Ababa. Someone told me that the Addis-Moyale road is tarmacked smooth while the Nairobi-Moyale one, which is shorter, is not.
                One factual correction though, The Kenya Rural Roads Authority and Kenya Urban Roads Authority are not under the purvue of Eng. Kidenda. He is in charge only of the Kenya National Highways Authority.

                Waudo

                On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 06:29 PM, Grace Githaiga wrote:

                  Listers

                  I think Macharia Gaitho is referring to our discussions on roads. For those who missed, the link posted below. 

                  Let’s not gloat about building great roads until we venture out of Kenya
                  http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.html 

                  Rgds
                  GG
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