[kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Harry Delano
harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Thu Apr 19 09:44:52 EAT 2012
Dear all,
It’s encouraging that we back to talking terms again. Let’s please keep talking to each other.....! Thanks Dr. Ndemo for the idea you suggested. Had previously thought along the same lines when this
discussion initially started. If we would take your cue, then listers can we propose that KICTAnet 2.0 forum be split into threads along the following lines...? Listers can have the freedom to subscribe
to the forum discussion list they want, since some of us might wish to filter some certain discussions…
1. Policy Discussions List
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· Purpose: This would kind of constitute the "Hard-talk", "watchdog", "frank-discussion" part of the forum to handle, influence and impact policy discussion topics of the day such as Cyber Security, Digital dive, Vision 2030, etc
· Subscription & Participation:- Automatic entry for active listers. A must for the participants to actively engage.
· Some clear Rules of engagement & participation needed. Bring aboard policy makers especially Govt agencies.
· We can deploy a Google hangout for example in the PS office, if we need to engage him online, and post the link in this section.
· Open/closed to the rest of listers? - Discussants to reach a consensus
· Why it is needed:- There is been a great resourceful discussion here that goes cold and frankly speaking goes to waste since we do not have follow-through mechanism. This doesn't do justice to the initiators of these threads.
2.General & News List
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· Users can subscribe and post & discuss anything general and any technology news making headlines in the Market.
· This can also form the Educative/informative arm of KICTAnet
· It can also be the “Online ICT lounge” arm of KICTAnet
3. Technology List
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· The Tech oriented can hurdle here. To cover "the-What", "the-when", "the-how" to implement technology. e.g., IPV6,DNSSEC,BGP,Cybersec, etc..
4. Classified section - Income generation for KICTAnet
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· Time for KICTAnet to generate some income to fund some of its core activities..?, and why not..? Create a section to cover those who have interesting technology to sell/market. You need a banner
on a section of KICTAnet..? Be ready to pay..
· We now have a wide audience who benefit in one way or the other from the list, and I'm certain we would support this initiative to enable KICTAnet grow/stand, besides some other ways (ideas welcome)
to enable it generate income. Of course structures needed in place for this to work adequately… Am sure a huge part of the audience comprise ICT consumers as well, who would be interested in upcoming technology.
5. Others ( Ideas welcome)
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Regards,
Harry
-----Original Message-----
From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:59 PM
To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Gilda,
Let us get some mileage out of this disruption by proposing a revamp of Kictanet into a blog with multiple threads. In my view Ben Akoh raised some very serious issues that require discussion and possibly policy intervention. Such interventions do not just happen unless the issues are elevated to a level where politicians incorporate them into their DNA.
We need to disagree on various issues but we need to rally behind issues of common understanding. The Military does this better to build consensus and cohesion. Often they create a rallying song as they go through their routine exercise.
Just last week I visited a city school and found kids singing "Maranda must go... We must win". I sure majority of the kinds in the group had no idea where Maranda was but they understood they must work hard and beat Maranda.
The Nazis used to say "if you want to tell a lie, tell a big lie that even yourself belief it is true". Here in Brazil the moto is "A rich country without poor people". Of course there are poor people here but they want to belief there isn't. We must deal with our stereotypes as perceived by comedians not by denying but by building consensus on who we want to be just like the Brazilians. Every person in the room laughed at Churchill joke, this was the sad part and not my provocative statement.
Ndemo.
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-----Original Message-----
From: godera at skyweb.co.ke
Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:30:24
To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Dear Dr.Ndemo,
In my view, Yawe's sensational headline actually ended up bringing out
the relevance of Kictanet and way forward in some areas.
For one, some lurkers came out and confirmed previous assumptions we
had made.
It is not negative at all. How we turn around situations is what
determines whether it is really negative or positive.
With due respect, it is time we stopped joining the stereo-typing
bandwagon and prophesied better things for ourselves as Africans. We
should not continue falling back into the negative tags Africans are
given. As I had said in an earlier email, why not turn the "negative"
into "positive"?
What I saw here was positive,informative and educative content in the
emails responding to Yawe's alarmist subject headline,nothing negative
that warrants your "We are just Africans" statement.
I am a proud African woman and I do not see myself as "just an
African".
I have never seen any comments saying "we are just white" yet the world
is full of negative white people too!
Much as there are many Africans out there who are not at the same level
as others, we should not say "typical African" whenever we see or
perceive anything to be negative.
Ofcourse, many Africans seem to be challenged in many things but then
again, many others have overcome some of these challenges. Those who
have overcome simply turn the negative thing around. Sooner than later,
you win people to your side.
Truth be told, a lot of these things were all foreign to Africans.
Unfortunately, due to unfair terrain of infrastructure, many are not as
exposed as others. Some only joined the wagon when they reached the city
and are still learning from poor examples. Others caught on while some
are still lagging. But I know, all of these developed economies never
started where they are today. We can leap frog, and we have in many
instances, but we are still on the journey.
So we are not "just Africans".I believe the listers are all proud
Africans.
And no,Yawe has not hoodwinked anyone into forgetting the discussion on
way forward. Listers are just lurking.
Lurkers, come out of the shell, even if just for this time to discuss
way forward for Kictanet!
Worry not about stepping on anyone's toes- as long as you mean well,
there really should be no problem. We all respect each other in this
list.
Time for me to lurk a bit!
Kind regards,
Gilda
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:29:53 +0000, bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:
> Churchill is a Kenya comedian and last week he attempted to explain
> the difference between Asian and African businessmen. He said an
> Asian chooses for example to be in the shoe industry. His Children
> and grandchildren too tend to be in the same industry. They get a
> fair understanding shoes inside out. They understand what variables
> to change if they want to improve on revenue.
>
> Africans on the other hand may start with selling shoes and within no
> time they are into selling pumps, potatoes, chicken, clothing as well
> as drilling boreholes and anything that can bring money. They do not
> do anything in detail, he said. Soon the empire collapses when the
> Asian is still standing.
>
> Now just when we were just beginning to dissect what the future of
> Kicktanet should be by drawing from the past, Robert comes up with
> the
> headline the King "is dead" obviously knowing this will derail Ben's
> thread and suddenly we all fall for it. We are just Africans.
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Akoh <me at benakoh.com>
> Sender:
> kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Tue,
> 17
> Apr 2012 21:34:37
> To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
> KICTAnet 2.0
>
> Hi all,
>
> At the Vilnius IGF, the "ICTs, the Internet and Sustainable
> Development:
> Towards a new paradigm" book (see:
> http://www.iisd.org/pdf/2010/icts_internet_sd_new_paradigm.pdf) was
> launched which explored thinking on ICTs and the Internet, and the
> policies that surround them - both at the local level such as in
> countries like Kenya or at the global level such as at the
> international
> IGF, from a sustainable development perspective.
>
> SD touches on three critical pillars of development - Economic,
> Social
> and Environmental. The book suggests that these pillars should be
> explored with a fundamental principle in mind: "Development that
> meets
> the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future
> generations to meet their own needs." This book presents important
> lessons that can help us adequately and efficiently conceptualize
> present and future visions for ICTs and the Internet, and policies
> that
> concern them. It may be useful as we think about the future of the
> internet in Kenya.
>
> Firstly, I would like to suggest, if it pleases everyone on the list,
> and our moderator, Grace, to perhaps examine this future thinking
> process using these pillars of sustainable development - Economic,
> Social and Environmental. This can be done through asking listers, if
> they had to conceptualize a vision to meet our present needs in such
> a
> way that they do not compromise future needs (for our children) what
> would be the a) economic, b) social, and c) environmental impacts?
>
> Secondly, the book provides a framework for examining future impacts
> of
> ICTs/Internet through what it calls the "systemic effects", and there
> are three of them.
>
> The first order (direct) effects are direct and immediate effects of
> ICTs/Internet on our society, for instance, the direct effect of the
> Internet on Kenya is the increasing numbers of online business that
> generate more revenue for the country.
>
> The second order (indirect) effects concern the applications of
> ICTs/Internet to increase efficiencies in other industries. For
> instance, the Internet can be used to improve the deployment of
> health
> services or education, etc.
>
> The third order (societal) effect concerns the impacts on
> ICTs/Internet
> on changing social and behavioral structures. For instance, the use
> of
> the internet to reduce cost and change behaviors through, for example
> telecommuting, or online shopping.
>
> Juxtaposing these systemic effects with the pillars of sustainable
> development can help us to better define specific approaches and also
> how to best conceptualize the future of ICTs/Internet in Kenya in a
> way
> that Kictanet would like to see, and that encompases those whom the
> policies will impact but who may not be opportuned to participate.
>
> Using this framework, we would refine our question above by asking:
>
> What first order, second order and third order effects can
> ICTs/Internet
> have now and in the future for:
>
> a. Economic sustainability
> b. Social sustainability
> c. Environmental sustainability?
>
> And what role can Kictanet play to make this happen?
>
> Perhaps, this sort of structure can help us discuss systematically
> and
> in more depth, and can also ease Grace's job in sequentially
> documenting
> our dialogue and thoughts.
>
> Thanks again for letting a lurker comment.
>
> Best,
> Ben
>
> On 4/17/12 4:53 AM, charles nduati wrote:
>> Hi Listers,
>>
>>
>> As a founder Director of KICTANET, I congratulate all of you for
>> this
>> contributions because they truly warm our hearts to know that we
>> have
>> somehow achieved our vision.
>>
>> Robert, let me tell you, you don't know how many times I quote you
>> the
>> way also my mother quotes the announcers in the vernacular radio
>> stations as if she is quoting from the bible even though she has
>> never
>> called in to the radio show discussions.
>>
>> As for those who are proposing revamping, I will say like the
>> incoming
>> World bank president, coming from medicine field he only administers
>> medicine that he has evidence it works and its safe.
>>
>> Show me your evidence for your prescription and I am with you.
>>
>> Charles Nduati
>> CHARLES N. NDUATI
>> GENERAL MANAGER
>> JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD
>> JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY
>> JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA
>> P. O. BOX 79324-00200
>> NAIROBI, KENYA
>> TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438
>> MOBILE:254-722728815
>>
>> EMIAL:charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk,cnduati at gmail.com,bm at jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke
>> www.jkuat.ac.ke
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>> *To:* charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk
>> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> *Sent:* Monday, 16 April 2012, 13:54
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
>> KICTAnet 2.0
>>
>> @Gilda,
>>
>> the ball is actually in EACH of our courts. I am also humbled by the
>> former PS Murage's testimony. Think about it, this guy was for along
>> time the President's Strategy Advisor - perhaps KICTAnet has had
>> policy
>> impact from the highest levels of this land (we all deserve some
>> some
>> consultancy fee from Govt ;-).
>>
>> But am sure we can make even bigger strides as get more feedback
>> from
>> the membership. I assume GG is moderating, based on her recent
>> summary.
>> Keep the conversation going.
>>
>> walu.
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 4/16/12, Gilda Odera /<godera at skyweb.co.ke>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Gilda Odera <godera at skyweb.co.ke>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
>> KICTAnet 2.0
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> Date: Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
>>
>>
>> Joe,
>> I like your suggestion. I agree- let us look at the next 10
>> years,
>> review where we are, evaluate any shortfalls and come up with
>> possible suggestions. We have evolved but we could be further.
>> As
>> Brian mentioned, this can be taken to the higher level once
>> determined.I'd like to see more than 10 companies winning global
>> competitions (why not?), lower Internet rates with greater
>> speeds,
>> many more innovations (because we have what it takes). My take
>> is
>> that we can do much more- let us up our game.
>> Walu, ball in your court, let us get this going.
>> Kind regards,
>> Gilda
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Joseph Mucheru
>> *To:* godera at skyweb.co.ke
>> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:42 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked
>> into KICTAnet 2.0
>>
>> Harry/Gilda Et all,
>>
>> Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the
>> country have moved to a different stage in the development
>> of
>> the ICT sector. In the past we came together because there
>> were
>> major issues we needed to deal with. The face 2 face was
>> even
>> important to ensure we framed the issues well for the
>> stakeholders.
>>
>> * We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one)
>> * The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates
>> are
>> low)
>> * We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally
>> (mpesa)
>> * iHub and other open community spaces are doing well -
>> look
>> at the mlab
>>
>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html>
>> Content and other funding (Billions of shillings)
>> * John Waibochi is winning global competitions with
>> virtual city
>> * Cables landed - 4G and evolving
>> * etc ....
>> * We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) -
>> But we
>> know there are qualified people dealing with them
>> amongst
>> others
>>
>> Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not
>> identified an obvious national cross cutting issue to rally
>> everyone around. Konza is a great but most people I have
>> talked
>> to are not clear how to engage (yet they do not want to be
>> left
>> out).
>>
>> May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of
>> Kenya's ICT sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all
>> think
>> Kenya's ICT sector will/can look like in next 10 years.
>>
>> This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing
>> today
>> and how we can impact that vision of tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a
>> suitable
>> framework and what we need is to move to the next level
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano
>> <harry at comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much Gilda.____
>> ____
>> Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the
>> forum
>> potential that we have? How to spur on such a huge base
>> as____
>> per Washington’s stats, to a wider
>> participation/engagement
>> for mutual benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate
>> here____
>> on the good days can really, really be rich in content
>> at
>> the same time being informative & Educative.____
>> ____
>> Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days
>> when debate – deliberation & conclusions is at its best,
>> we____
>> unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow
>> this
>> through with the decision makers – effectively
>> influencing ____
>> policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be
>> enough to
>> build up an archive for PhD students out of the
>> Kictanet____
>> repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference
>> that can count in this country. ____
>> ____
>> That is Kictanet..____
>> ____
>> Harry____
>> ____
>> ____
>> *From:*Gilda Odera [mailto:godera at skyweb.co.ke]
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
>>
>> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or
>> kicked
>> into KICTAnet 2.0____
>> ____
>> Hi Harry,____
>> ____
>> I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered-
>> short of force feeding really!:)____
>> Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a
>> line.____
>> I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if
>> you
>> check out the subscriber base you will find that people
>> are
>> just keeping quiet in the background but picking a
>> lot.____
>> ____
>> How to make it more interactive?____
>> My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss
>> out
>> the main thread of the debate and depending on what a
>> subscriber has responded to, they sometimes "switch off"
>> and
>> do not read any more mails on that topic- in the process
>> missing out on some interesting discussions in
>> between.____
>> I think those who have something burning to say will say
>> it
>> anyway. The rest are neither here nor there in the
>> debate so
>> they see no need to comment nor read all the
>> threads.____
>> Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be
>> requested to always give an opinion- that may generate
>> more
>> participation.And the subject line would ensure it
>> highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just
>> wondering.____
>> Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are
>> indeed
>> reading Kictanet debates. ____
>> .____
>> ____
>> Gilda Odera____
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- ____
>> *From:*Harry Delano ____
>> *To:*'Gilda Odera' ____
>> *Cc:*kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke ____
>> *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM____
>> *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or
>> kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____
>> ____
>> Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So
>> possibly from your own observation perhaps, how can
>> we
>> make ____
>> it more interactive and engaging, and attract more
>> participation..? Could it be we need to make the
>> environment a little ____
>> bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative
>> enough?
>> My observation is the sisters are usually too
>> silent.
>> How____
>> do we empower..?____
>> ____
>> Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet
>> actively & professionally ( through representation)
>> engaged a number____
>> of players on the national stage, such us the Ps,
>> CCK,
>> Govt Depts, to shape ICT policy. There have been
>> positive results____
>> from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also
>> seems to have faded off..? Any idea..?____
>> ____
>> This is because I have this strong feeling within,
>> that
>> since Kictanet was formed with the express objective
>> to
>> engage ____
>> on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never
>> been
>> such a time in its history as now that we need to
>> engage
>> more, ____
>> and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this
>> would be a time we would be actively engaging on
>> Konza,
>> Cyber____
>> security, just to name a few… or..?____
>> ____
>> Harry____
>> ____
>> ____
>>
>> *From:*kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>> *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM
>> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin,
>> or
>> kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____
>> ____
>> Grace,____
>> ____
>> I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people
>> would
>> rather write directly to you during a debate, as you
>> say
>> below, rather than voice their opinion openly. I am
>> thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of
>> being
>> seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their
>> comment may be going against someone's opinion. Many
>> would rather hide and comment quietly to the person
>> next
>> to them or the person they are close to.____
>> I imagine that is why there are still so many things
>> that remain unchanged in the country that could be
>> changed if people came out and voiced their
>> opinions.But
>> the few who write must never feel discouraged as
>> their
>> voices are still being heard and they are impacting
>> on
>> so many. It takes a few people to bring about
>> change. ____
>> My thoughts. ____
>> ____
>> Regards,____
>> ____
>> Gilda____
>> ____
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- ____
>> *From:*Grace Githaiga ____
>> *To:*godera at skyweb.co.ke ____
>> *Cc:*kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke ____
>> *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM____
>> *Subject:*RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
>> kickin, or
>> kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____
>> ____
>>
>> Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear
>> from some lurkers as to why they are not active
>> participants of the forum (there is not so much
>> from
>> the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that
>> can
>> be done to allow for more participation? I have
>> for
>> example received comments off-list when I have
>> moderated debates, and my question to those
>> listers
>> is that it would be nice for them to raise the
>> very
>> good comments here on this forum. Again, the aim
>> is
>> to strengthen the forum and have it continue to
>> remain relevant. ____
>> ____
>> On another note, I have seen some of our
>> discussions
>> here quoted authoritatively on mainstream media,
>> as
>> well as on social media. ____
>> ____
>> Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the
>> findings of
>> your research. ____
>> ____
>> Lets keep this debate live! It is very
>> useful.____
>> ____
>> Rgds____
>> GG____
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> If you have the strength to survive, you have
>> the
>> power to succeed. Life is all about choices we
>> make
>> depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth
>> and
>> rule the World!____
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: godera at skyweb.co.ke
>> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin,
>> or
>> kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
>> CC: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com____
>> Long live Kictanet- as far as I am
>> concerned.____
>> ____
>> Listers,____
>> ____
>> I think we need to remember that just like in
>> any
>> other forum, there are always the very few who
>> engage in discussions while most do the
>> listening.
>> That is typical human behaviour, and it is
>> therefore
>> not odd nor is Kictanet dying because not all
>> subscribed listers are actively
>> participating.____
>> Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And
>> there has been so much to learn and listen to in
>> the
>> various debates- very useful.____
>> ____
>> Regards,____
>> ____
>> Gilda Odera____
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- ____
>> *From:*Walubengo J ____
>> *To:*godera at skyweb.co.ke ____
>> *Cc:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ____
>> *Sent:*Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM____
>> *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
>> kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0____
>> ____
>> Ben
>>
>> This is a powerful testimony. I do also know
>> of
>> a PhD student whose core dataset is the
>> KICTAnet
>> archives. And others who got
>> jobs/scholarships
>> arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these
>> are
>> some of the stories that we want to hear
>> from
>> the "horses" mouth...
>>
>> However, on the flip-side, I think we should
>> also welcome the negative experiences - or
>> challenges as it were - so that we can
>> improve
>> going forward.
>>
>> walu.
>> nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the
>> subject
>> to include KICTAnet 2.0
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh
>> /<me at benakoh.com>/* wrote:____
>>
>> From: Ben Akoh <me at benakoh.com>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
>> kickin,
>> or kicked into the dustbin...!
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM____
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many
>> lurkers
>> on this list, and on many
>> others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the
>> country several times, I will
>> be visiting it in the next month, I love it,
>> its
>> people, and have very
>> good friends there.
>>
>> I participated in one of the earlier public
>> forums that helped to shape
>> Kictanet and that fed into the numerous
>> fiber
>> initiatives to which you and
>> most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit
>> the
>> country, and indirectly
>> when we interact with good people like
>> yourselves who continue to pave the
>> way for how public consultation can shape
>> future
>> growth and development.
>>
>> My comments are along three lines:
>>
>> 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker
>> is
>> not necessary a bad thing.
>> Some of us continue to benefit from this
>> list
>> and learn good practices
>> that inform public policy in many other
>> areas.
>> For instance, the Kictanet
>> model is replicated across several national
>> discussion lists in West
>> Africa and have been suggested as a useful
>> model
>> for public consultation
>> on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through
>> propagate the good dialogues
>> that emanate from this group in other forums
>> beyond yours. See this as
>> Kenya's export to the knowledge and
>> information
>> economy.
>>
>> 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through
>> which this forum would become
>> more relevant is also not necessarily a bad
>> thing. Questioning leads to
>> improvement. The day that every member of
>> this
>> group thinks that the list
>> has arrived (group think), is the day it
>> begins
>> to slowly die a death.
>> Thus, a constant review, as someone
>> mentioned,
>> against Kictanet's initial
>> objectives is a good starting point;
>> documenting
>> its progress over the
>> years through careful research (as another
>> person mentioned) is also
>> important. But significant consideration
>> should
>> be given to the medium of
>> delivery and how this is relevant to the
>> context
>> of the times. "The medium
>> is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The
>> medium
>> should thus respond to the
>> demands of the time. Considerations should
>> be
>> given to those for whom
>> policy is deliberated but who do not have
>> access
>> to deliberate in its
>> present form.
>>
>> 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that
>> works:
>> I am currently finalizing
>> a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models
>> that have worked for
>> generating evidence and for seeking consent
>> of
>> those whom policy will
>> affect using case studies of good practice
>> models implemented across the
>> world. Kictanet and this discussion list is
>> featured prominently as one of
>> them. I hope to share the outcome of this
>> research once it has been
>> published.
>>
>> In sum, all these go to say that:
>>
>> 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and
>> active
>> members.
>> 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and
>> contributes to shaping policy and
>> policy consultation beyond its borders.
>> 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic
>> context of communication
>> technologies, and cater to the local context
>> as
>> well as the growing needs
>> of its audience - present and future. It
>> should
>> therefore be shaped
>> accordingly.
>>
>> My two bob.
>>
>> Ben
>> A lurker.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua
>> wrote:
>> > Now that we have to weigh in, I think
>> this is
>> an important list that it
>> > serves its purposes well. If it falls
>> silent
>> for some time, then it means
>> > that everyone is happy, which is not a
>> bad
>> thing. When its active, it
>> > means
>> > that people have issues, and they have a
>> good
>> place and forum to air their
>> > concerns and opinion relating to the
>> industry.
>> >
>> > As for the lurkers, they are also good to
>> have. As someone said, one will
>> > always speak out when their area of
>> interest
>> is mentioned and they have an
>> > opinion to share.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Evans
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry
>> Delano
>> <harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to
>> be
>> on this list, but presently
>> >> on
>> >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have
>> learnt),****
>> >>
>> >> please realize you owe it to this noble
>> forum, started by noble people,
>> >> with noble ideas at least in a way to
>> leave
>> some****
>> >>
>> >> mark…****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries
>> the
>> flag up higher and make a
>> >> mark in this land and beyond that we can
>> believe ****
>> >>
>> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any
>> other
>> forum with such
>> >> broad/diverse
>> >> membership.****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Harry****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> *From:*
>>
>> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >>
>>
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>]
>> *On
>> >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
>> >>
>> >> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>
>> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet
>> alive..
>> kickin, or kicked into the
>> >> dustbin...!****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document
>> floating somewhere. I think this
>> >> could be a good place to start – see
>> what
>> has been achieved, what fell
>> >> by
>> >> the way side, identify what is still
>> relevant, plug in new ideas and
>> >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should
>> never be allowed to "kick".****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> Harry Hare****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Director****
>> >>
>> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre****
>> >>
>> >> PO Box 49475 00100****
>> >>
>> >> Nairobi, Kenya****
>> >>
>> >> Tel +254 20 4041646****
>> >>
>> >> Cel +254 725 650044****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe
>> <blongwe at gmail.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>>
>> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300
>> >> *To: *Harry Hare
>> <harry at africanedevelopment.org
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>>
>> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
>> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet
>> alive..
>> kickin, or kicked into the
>> >> dustbin...!****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> If we go back to early discussions about
>> the
>> multi-stakeholder network
>> >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a
>> distinction between the mailing
>> >> list participants, and those
>> stakeholders
>> who would actively engage in
>> >> KICTAnet "activities".****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> My take is that since there have been no
>> "activities" as such - the
>> >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to
>> borrow a phrase from
>> >> @Harry.****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> I remember there used to be monthly
>> face-to-face meetings which followed
>> >> a
>> >> particular topic or theme of interest
>> and
>> served as an opportunity for
>> >> participants from the various networks
>> to
>> meet within the context of the
>> >> "network of networks". At the time there
>> was
>> program funding from donor
>> >> to
>> >> cover costs of those meetings, this has
>> presumably, run out. Which leads
>> >> me
>> >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally?
>> At
>> least for these gatherings? As
>> >> they will give a greater element of
>> traction
>> to the organization while
>> >> ensuring that it continues to remain
>> relevant within the sector.
>> >> Especially
>> >> as the melting pot for policy
>> debate.****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Brian****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM,
>> Walubengo J
>> <jwalu at yahoo.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>
>> >> wrote:****
>> >>
>> >> Joe,
>> >>
>> >> Currently listed number is 690 members
>> from
>> diverse backgrounds of
>> >> Media,
>> >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed,
>> mobile, wireless). But as you
>> >> noted not everyone is active -80% are
>> often
>> in read-only mode. That is
>> >> one
>> >> reason I thought we needed new thinking
>> and
>> new approaches...
>> >>
>> >> walu.
>> >>
>> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru
>> <mucheru at google.com
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>*
>> wrote:****
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>****
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
>> kickin, or kicked into the
>> >> dustbin...!
>> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>
>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>****
>> >>
>> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53
>> PM****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not
>> only
>> records but also the latest
>> >> collaboration technologies "Google
>> >>
>>
>> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>"
>> >> I agree that we need to review our aim
>> and
>> strategies but we need to
>> >> have a
>> >> representative forum that allows for
>> that to
>> take place. @Brian you know
>> >> many participant on this list are in
>> read
>> only mode.****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an
>> idea
>> of the number of people
>> >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the
>> names but the number. This will
>> >> be
>> >> a good place to start. Dealing with
>> facts
>> and not guess work.****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Thanks****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Joe****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon
>> Mbũrũ Kamau
>> >> <solo.mburu at gmail.com
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com>>>
>> >> wrote:****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe
>> >> <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk><http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>>
>> >> wrote:****
>> >>
>> >> Harry,****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is
>> lustre
>> and the new generation hate
>> >> records and prefer platforms like
>> twitter
>> and facebook.****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum
>> active remains with those over
>> >> 35
>> >> year old who unfortunately are trying to
>> fit
>> in with the younger
>> >> crowd.***
>> >> *
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this
>> loop.^C****
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records,
>> in
>> addition to facebook and
>> >> twitter
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Regards ****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> Robert Yawe
>> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> >> Kenya****
>> >>
>> >> Tel:
>>
>> +254722511225begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722511225end_of_the_skype_highlighting,
>>
>> +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254202010696end_of_the_skype_highlighting****
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> *From:* Harry Delano
>> >> <harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>>
>> >> >
>> >> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>
>> >>
>> <http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
>> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012,
>> 13:55****
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet
>> alive..
>> kickin, or kicked into the
>> >> dustbin...!****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Ara..!****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> Not many people seriously want to
>> rejuvenate
>> this forum, as per
>> >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good
>> case study one day for some
>> >> thesis student. Whose research titles
>> among
>> others:-****
>> >>
>> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it
>> into
>> the dustbin and
>> >> leave
>> >> it for the dead” ****
>> >>
>> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall
>> of a
>> myriad of many
>> >> ICT
>> >> forums in Kenya, the major one
>> being….****
>> >>
>> >> · “How-not-to build structural
>> resilience
>> and offer strategic
>> >> leadership”. Why the big forum went
>> M.I.A,
>> and petered out..****
>> >>
>> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not
>> repeat
>> the mistakes
>> >> listed
>> >> above, time for a RESET..”!****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might
>> be
>> headed for such a case
>> >> study.
>> >> Not sure if I should patent the titles,
>> just
>> in case..!****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> Harry****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> *From:*
>> >>
>>
>> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>[mailto:
>> >> kictanet-bounces+harry
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
>> >> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>]
>> >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50
>> AM
>> >> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>
>> <http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>>
>> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet
>> alive..
>> kickin, or kicked into the
>> >> dustbin...!****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> I think Walu is on the right track.
>> Every
>> organisation for-profit or
>> >> not,
>> >> has to reassess it's strategy,
>> relevance,
>> business direction and thrust
>> >> periodically or risk falling into the
>> shadows.****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I
>> think
>> that the time has come.****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> My 2 shillings,****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> Brian****
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM,
>> Walubengo J
>> >> <jwalu at yahoo.com
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><http://mc/[email protected]
>> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>>
>> >> wrote:****
>> >>
>> >> @Wash,
>> >>
>> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something.
>> Perhaps KICTAnet needs to
>> >> re-juvinate
>> >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and
>> thinking. What do we want from
>> >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management
>> structures, membership structures,
>> >> operational, financial structures do we
>> want
>> to see going forward?
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face
>> session is
>> due. I for one have been
>> >> the
>> >> moderator since inception and maybe
>> someone
>> else can do a better job and
>> >> we
>> >> just have not asked them to come forth.
>> Think about it - I could have
>> >> run
>> >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer
>> <http://dot.com> may just be
>> >> sitting on better ways of moderation
>> that I
>> have never imagined...
>> >>
>> >> just my 2pings.
>> >>
>> >> walu.
>> >>
>> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo
>> Washington
>> >> <odhiambo at gmail.com
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/[email protected]
>> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>>
>> >> >* wrote:****
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Odhiambo Washington
>> >> <odhiambo at gmail.com
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><http://mc/[email protected]
>> <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com>>
>> >> >
>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive..
>> kickin, or kicked into the
>> >> dustbin...!
>> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>
>> <http://mc/[email protected]
>> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>>
>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke><http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
>> >> >
>> >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50
>> PM****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry
>> Delano
>> >> <harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><http://mc/[email protected]
>>
>> <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>>>
>> >> wrote:****
>> >>
>> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see
>> some response on whether we
>> >> might
>> >> just as well happen to be drifting along
>> rudderless…!!****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
>> >> Nairobi,KE
>> >>
>>
>> +254733744121/+254722743223begin_of_the_skype_highlighting+254722743223end_of_the_skype_highlighting
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>> _ _ _ _
>> >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the
>> scrambler.
>> >> [image:
>> cid:image001.png at 01CD18CB.53049790]Please
>> consider the
>> >> environment before printing this email.
>> ****
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
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>> >> for people and institutions interested
>> and
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>> >> sector in support of the national aim of
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>> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same
>> standards of acceptable behaviors
>> >> online that you follow in real life:
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>> >>
>> >> Brian Munyao Longwe****
>> >>
>> >> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>
>> <http://mc/[email protected]
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>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> "Give us clear vision that we may know
>> where
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>> >> for, because unless we stand for
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