[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources- Continuation

Fri Jul 9 17:03:39 EAT 2010

On point McTim. I suppose many people dont know the difference between a
registry and a registrar, we need to start there , over to CCK consumer
affairs department.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:52 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lets be clear.  KENIC is a registry, domain names are regiistered with
> the registry by registrars. Hosting is a separate issie, but many
> registrars offer hosting as well. Rgds, mctim
>
> On 7/9/10, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Listers,
> >
> > One important observation that I have whenever KENIC is mentioned, is
> > the way it is shrouded in mystery.
> > When it's said to be a 'perfect' model in managing  .ke domains, what
> > does this really imply? That the govt, through the Ministry of
> > InfoCom, and some few other 'wise men and women' sit on the KENIC
> > board? If the essence of a PPP model is based on where KENIC is based,
> > assuming it's at CCK's compound, then I need to be 'opened' up,
> > because at Stima Plaza there are diverse businesses yet the building
> > is property of KENGEN/KPLC! The same applies to Electricirty House.
> >
> > Another thing, if KENIC's price for .ke domain names is, say, Kshs.
> > 2,000, why would a registrar charge less or more than that?
> > There has to be streamlined approaches in this regad so that consumers
> > are not exploited, as Dr. Siganga has pointed out.
> >
> > It's probably because of this that registrars are 'free' to do as they
> > wish, in terms of prices, hosting plans etc.
> >
> > I cannot say that KENIC is not doing much, it can do better.
> > And in the 2009 AGM, there waas a call for having a Special Purpose
> > Vehicle(SPV)? What happened to it? Did the idea just fizzle out
> > immediately after the meeting?
> >
> > The most important thing here is to make mechanisms for making a shift
> > in diversities.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 09/07/2010, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
> >>  Hi Judy/All,
> >>
> >> Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed
> >> the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its
> >> registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of
> >> the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but
> >> "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the
> >> uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a
> >> problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one
> >> I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription
> >> expires and then there seems to be a very small window which
> >> appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are
> >> stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape.
> >> And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal
> >> and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the
> >> domain.
> >>
> >> Kind Regards,
> >> Waudo
> >>
> >> On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite"
> >> <judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>   Dear All,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> looking at the KENIC situation, with the
> >> equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way
> >> up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
> >>
> >> Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc
> >> is Ksh 500/- P/A
> >>
> >> KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu,  mentioned during one of the
> >> sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally
> >> agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
> >>
> >> Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite
> >> <[2]judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>   Greetings All,
> >>
> >>
> >>   Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads.  Feel
> >>   free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by
> >>   clicking  on the correct subject/title.
> >>
> >>
> >>   Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
> >>
> >>
> >>   1.       DNSSEC
> >>
> >>   2.       IPV6- the regulatory angle,
> >>
> >>   Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the
> >>   opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world,
> >>   then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that.
> >>   Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that
> >>   most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6
> >>   ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
> >>
> >>   What is your thought?  Should we be concerned about e.g the
> >>   hardware getting into our country ?
> >>
> >>    And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
> >>
> >>
> >>    Reactions?
> >>
> >>    Today , we add
> >>
> >>
> >>   3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
> >>
> >>
> >>   Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a
> >>   broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet
> >>   Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit
> >>   organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an
> >>   initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and
> >>   foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public
> >>   private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
> >>
> >>
> >>   KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but
> >>   last year,
> >>
> >>   The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the
> >>   Commission to provide public policy oversight on the
> >>   administration and management of the dot KE country code Top
> >>   Level Domain (ccTLD).
> >>
> >>   [4]http://www.e-
> >>   [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai
> >>   ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
> >>
> >>
> >>   1.       A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the
> >>   discussions begun and I quote
> >>
> >>
> >> “ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM
> >> ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some
> >> clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to
> >> the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
> >>
> >> While he conceded  that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate
> >> the Regulator to oversee these subdomains,  the Minister had yet
> >> to issue regulations on how it would be done because most
> >> stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific
> >> clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder,
> >> public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and
> >> oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some
> >> consensus is reached on the way forward...”
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a
> >>   system/process and is it underway?
> >>
> >>
> >>   I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what
> >>   effect has this had in the market, more especially for the
> >>   Registrars.
> >>
> >>
> >>   Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
> >>
> >>
> >>   Kind Regards,
> >>   --
> >>   “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who
> >>   you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why
> >>   you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
> >>
> >> --
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> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. http://co.ke/
> >> 2. mailto:judyokite at gmail.com
> >> 3. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
> >> 4. http://www.e-/
> >> 5.
> >>
> http://government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119
> >> 6. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
> >>
> >
> >
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>
> McTim
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