[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources- Continuation

Fri Jul 9 16:52:50 EAT 2010

Lets be clear.  KENIC is a registry, domain names are regiistered with
the registry by registrars. Hosting is a separate issie, but many
registrars offer hosting as well. Rgds, mctim

On 7/9/10, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
> Listers,
>
> One important observation that I have whenever KENIC is mentioned, is
> the way it is shrouded in mystery.
> When it's said to be a 'perfect' model in managing  .ke domains, what
> does this really imply? That the govt, through the Ministry of
> InfoCom, and some few other 'wise men and women' sit on the KENIC
> board? If the essence of a PPP model is based on where KENIC is based,
> assuming it's at CCK's compound, then I need to be 'opened' up,
> because at Stima Plaza there are diverse businesses yet the building
> is property of KENGEN/KPLC! The same applies to Electricirty House.
>
> Another thing, if KENIC's price for .ke domain names is, say, Kshs.
> 2,000, why would a registrar charge less or more than that?
> There has to be streamlined approaches in this regad so that consumers
> are not exploited, as Dr. Siganga has pointed out.
>
> It's probably because of this that registrars are 'free' to do as they
> wish, in terms of prices, hosting plans etc.
>
> I cannot say that KENIC is not doing much, it can do better.
> And in the 2009 AGM, there waas a call for having a Special Purpose
> Vehicle(SPV)? What happened to it? Did the idea just fizzle out
> immediately after the meeting?
>
> The most important thing here is to make mechanisms for making a shift
> in diversities.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 09/07/2010, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
>>  Hi Judy/All,
>>
>> Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed
>> the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its
>> registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of
>> the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but
>> "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the
>> uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a
>> problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one
>> I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription
>> expires and then there seems to be a very small window which
>> appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are
>> stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape.
>> And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal
>> and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the
>> domain.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Waudo
>>
>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite"
>> <judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
>>
>>
>>
>> looking at the KENIC situation, with the
>> equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way
>> up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
>>
>> Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
>>
>>
>>
>> Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
>>
>>
>>
>>  KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc
>> is Ksh 500/- P/A
>>
>> KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu,  mentioned during one of the
>> sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally
>> agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
>>
>> Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
>>
>>
>>
>> Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite
>> <[2]judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Greetings All,
>>
>>
>>   Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads.  Feel
>>   free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by
>>   clicking  on the correct subject/title.
>>
>>
>>   Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
>>
>>
>>   1.       DNSSEC
>>
>>   2.       IPV6- the regulatory angle,
>>
>>   Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the
>>   opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world,
>>   then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that.
>>   Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that
>>   most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6
>>   ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
>>
>>   What is your thought?  Should we be concerned about e.g the
>>   hardware getting into our country ?
>>
>>    And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
>>
>>
>>    Reactions?
>>
>>    Today , we add
>>
>>
>>   3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
>>
>>
>>   Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a
>>   broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet
>>   Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit
>>   organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an
>>   initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and
>>   foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public
>>   private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
>>
>>
>>   KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but
>>   last year,
>>
>>   The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the
>>   Commission to provide public policy oversight on the
>>   administration and management of the dot KE country code Top
>>   Level Domain (ccTLD).
>>
>>   [4]http://www.e-
>>   [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai
>>   ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
>>
>>
>>   1.       A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the
>>   discussions begun and I quote
>>
>>
>> “ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM
>> ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some
>> clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to
>> the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
>>
>> While he conceded  that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate
>> the Regulator to oversee these subdomains,  the Minister had yet
>> to issue regulations on how it would be done because most
>> stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific
>> clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder,
>> public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and
>> oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some
>> consensus is reached on the way forward...”
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a
>>   system/process and is it underway?
>>
>>
>>   I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what
>>   effect has this had in the market, more especially for the
>>   Registrars.
>>
>>
>>   Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
>>
>>
>>   Kind Regards,
>>   --
>>   “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who
>>   you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why
>>   you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
>>
>> --
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>> References
>>
>> 1. http://co.ke/
>> 2. mailto:judyokite at gmail.com
>> 3. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
>> 4. http://www.e-/
>> 5.
>> http://government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119
>> 6. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
>>
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