[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources- Continuation

Fri Jul 9 16:55:14 EAT 2010

Dear Solomon,

You have raised pertinent issues, again let me try and answer your points as
a registrar who has worked closely with the CCTLD, in have always
volunteered my knowledge and time because this is what the PPP model is all
about, together we all achieve more.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu at gmail.com>wrote:

> Listers,
>
> One important observation that I have whenever KENIC is mentioned, is
> the way it is shrouded in mystery.
> When it's said to be a 'perfect' model in managing  .ke domains, what
> does this really imply? That the govt, through the Ministry of
> InfoCom, and some few other 'wise men and women' sit on the KENIC
> board? If the essence of a PPP model is based on where KENIC is based,
> assuming it's at CCK's compound, then I need to be 'opened' up,
> because at Stima Plaza there are diverse businesses yet the building
> is property of KENGEN/KPLC! The same applies to Electricirty House.
>
> *With regard to KENIC being shrouded in Mystery i beg to disagree with
that point, quoting the great book ask and it shall be given unto you, as a
registrar i have always gone to KENIC whenever i felt i had issues that
needed to be addressed and or views to express, i am glad the organisation
has an open door policy unless someone else has contrasting views,
unfortunately i have never attended an AGM (i blame myself for that) but i
doubt whether they would deny me an opportunity to vie for a seat if i
qualified. I stand to be corrected by this as well. With regard to CCK being
opened up i suppose that is the prerogative of the organisation, the board
has its own ideas and strategic objectives. Speaking of which i was
surprised you can actually schedule an appointment with the chair just the
way our PS has an open door policy only that we are scared of appointments
at 6 am :-)
*

> Another thing, if KENIC's price for .ke domain names is, say, Kshs.
> 2,000, why would a registrar charge less or more than that?
> There has to be streamlined approaches in this regad so that consumers
> are not exploited, as Dr. Siganga has pointed out.
> *I suppose we need to be realistic and come up with business cases before
> advancing arguments, as a registrar it can be really tough doing business in
> the .ke environmnet considering the fact that a client does not appreciated
> why they should pay a certain amount for something that does not have
> immediate returns, in seeking answers to this question i read about the 5
> C's of a website from one of the leading local entrepreneurs blogs and i
> found it very educations, the issue here is awareness and capacity building,
> as a registrar i have been doing this passionately, you have to feed your
> cow before milking it*
> It's probably because of this that registrars are 'free' to do as they
> wish, in terms of prices, hosting plans etc.
>
> I cannot say that KENIC is not doing much, it can do better.
> And in the 2009 AGM, there waas a call for having a Special Purpose
> Vehicle(SPV)? What happened to it? Did the idea just fizzle out
> immediately after the meeting?
> *I need to be advised about this as well, what was this special purpose
> vehicle aimed at ?*
> The most important thing here is to make mechanisms for making a shift
> in diversities.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 09/07/2010, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
> >  Hi Judy/All,
> >
> > Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed
> > the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its
> > registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of
> > the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but
> > "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the
> > uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a
> > problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one
> > I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription
> > expires and then there seems to be a very small window which
> > appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are
> > stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape.
> > And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal
> > and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the
> > domain.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Waudo
> >
> > On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite"
> > <judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> > maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
> >
> >
> >
> > looking at the KENIC situation, with the
> > equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way
> > up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
> >
> > Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
> >
> >
> >
> > Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
> >
> >
> >
> >  KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc
> > is Ksh 500/- P/A
> >
> > KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu,  mentioned during one of the
> > sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally
> > agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
> >
> > Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
> >
> >
> >
> > Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite
> > <[2]judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   Greetings All,
> >
> >
> >   Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads.  Feel
> >   free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by
> >   clicking  on the correct subject/title.
> >
> >
> >   Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
> >
> >
> >   1.       DNSSEC
> >
> >   2.       IPV6- the regulatory angle,
> >
> >   Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the
> >   opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world,
> >   then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that.
> >   Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that
> >   most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6
> >   ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
> >
> >   What is your thought?  Should we be concerned about e.g the
> >   hardware getting into our country ?
> >
> >    And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
> >
> >
> >    Reactions?
> >
> >    Today , we add
> >
> >
> >   3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
> >
> >
> >   Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a
> >   broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet
> >   Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit
> >   organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an
> >   initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and
> >   foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public
> >   private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
> >
> >
> >   KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but
> >   last year,
> >
> >   The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the
> >   Commission to provide public policy oversight on the
> >   administration and management of the dot KE country code Top
> >   Level Domain (ccTLD).
> >
> >   [4]http://www.e-
> >   [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai
> >   ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
> >
> >
> >   1.       A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the
> >   discussions begun and I quote
> >
> >
> > “ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM
> > ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some
> > clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to
> > the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
> >
> > While he conceded  that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate
> > the Regulator to oversee these subdomains,  the Minister had yet
> > to issue regulations on how it would be done because most
> > stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific
> > clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder,
> > public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and
> > oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some
> > consensus is reached on the way forward...”
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a
> >   system/process and is it underway?
> >
> >
> >   I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what
> >   effect has this had in the market, more especially for the
> >   Registrars.
> >
> >
> >   Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
> >
> >
> >   Kind Regards,
> >   --
> >   “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who
> >   you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why
> >   you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
> >
> > --
> > “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you
> > are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want
> > to get there.” Kofi Annan
> >
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> > References
> >
> > 1. http://co.ke/
> > 2. mailto:judyokite at gmail.com
> > 3. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
> > 4. http://www.e-/
> > 5.
> >
> http://government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119
> > 6. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
> >
>
>
> --
> Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau
>
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