On point McTim. I suppose many people dont know the difference between a registry and a registrar, we need to start there , over to CCK consumer affairs department.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:52 PM, McTim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Lets be clear. KENIC is a registry, domain names are regiistered with<br>
the registry by registrars. Hosting is a separate issie, but many<br>
registrars offer hosting as well. Rgds, mctim<br>
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On 7/9/10, Solomon Mburu Kamau <<a href="mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com">solo.mburu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Listers,<br>
><br>
> One important observation that I have whenever KENIC is mentioned, is<br>
> the way it is shrouded in mystery.<br>
> When it's said to be a 'perfect' model in managing .ke domains, what<br>
> does this really imply? That the govt, through the Ministry of<br>
> InfoCom, and some few other 'wise men and women' sit on the KENIC<br>
> board? If the essence of a PPP model is based on where KENIC is based,<br>
> assuming it's at CCK's compound, then I need to be 'opened' up,<br>
> because at Stima Plaza there are diverse businesses yet the building<br>
> is property of KENGEN/KPLC! The same applies to Electricirty House.<br>
><br>
> Another thing, if KENIC's price for .ke domain names is, say, Kshs.<br>
> 2,000, why would a registrar charge less or more than that?<br>
> There has to be streamlined approaches in this regad so that consumers<br>
> are not exploited, as Dr. Siganga has pointed out.<br>
><br>
> It's probably because of this that registrars are 'free' to do as they<br>
> wish, in terms of prices, hosting plans etc.<br>
><br>
> I cannot say that KENIC is not doing much, it can do better.<br>
> And in the 2009 AGM, there waas a call for having a Special Purpose<br>
> Vehicle(SPV)? What happened to it? Did the idea just fizzle out<br>
> immediately after the meeting?<br>
><br>
> The most important thing here is to make mechanisms for making a shift<br>
> in diversities.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 09/07/2010, waudo siganga <<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Hi Judy/All,<br>
>><br>
>> Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed<br>
>> the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its<br>
>> registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of<br>
>> the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but<br>
>> "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the<br>
>> uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a<br>
>> problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one<br>
>> I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription<br>
>> expires and then there seems to be a very small window which<br>
>> appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are<br>
>> stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape.<br>
>> And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal<br>
>> and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the<br>
>> domain.<br>
>><br>
>> Kind Regards,<br>
>> Waudo<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com">judyokite@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> looking at the KENIC situation, with the<br>
>> equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way<br>
>> up above a registrar....so what does that make them?<br>
>><br>
>> Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> KENIC's pricing of .[1]<a href="http://co.ke" target="_blank">co.ke</a> is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc<br>
>> is Ksh 500/- P/A<br>
>><br>
>> KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the<br>
>> sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally<br>
>> agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.<br>
>><br>
>> Was there any changes to that effect, this year?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kind Regards,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite<br>
>> <[2]<a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com">judyokite@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Greetings All,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel<br>
>> free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by<br>
>> clicking on the correct subject/title.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 1. DNSSEC<br>
>><br>
>> 2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,<br>
>><br>
>> Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the<br>
>> opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world,<br>
>> then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that.<br>
>> Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that<br>
>> most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6<br>
>> ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”<br>
>><br>
>> What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the<br>
>> hardware getting into our country ?<br>
>><br>
>> And if we should, who should be in charge of that?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Reactions?<br>
>><br>
>> Today , we add<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a<br>
>> broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet<br>
>> Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit<br>
>> organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an<br>
>> initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and<br>
>> foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public<br>
>> private partnership (ppp's). [3]<a href="http://www.kenic.or.ke" target="_blank">www.kenic.or.ke</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but<br>
>> last year,<br>
>><br>
>> The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the<br>
>> Commission to provide public policy oversight on the<br>
>> administration and management of the dot KE country code Top<br>
>> Level Domain (ccTLD).<br>
>><br>
>> [4]<a href="http://www.e-" target="_blank">http://www.e-</a><br>
>> [5]<a href="http://government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai" target="_blank">government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai</a><br>
>> ls&gid=1&Itemid=119<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the<br>
>> discussions begun and I quote<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> “ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM<br>
>> ([6]<a href="http://www.kenic.or.ke" target="_blank">www.kenic.or.ke</a>) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some<br>
>> clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to<br>
>> the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.<br>
>><br>
>> While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate<br>
>> the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet<br>
>> to issue regulations on how it would be done because most<br>
>> stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific<br>
>> clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder,<br>
>> public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and<br>
>> oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some<br>
>> consensus is reached on the way forward...”<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a<br>
>> system/process and is it underway?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what<br>
>> effect has this had in the market, more especially for the<br>
>> Registrars.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kind Regards,<br>
>> --<br>
>> “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who<br>
>> you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why<br>
>> you want to get there.” Kofi Annan<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you<br>
>> are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want<br>
>> to get there.” Kofi Annan<br>
>><br>
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