[kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs

Tue Apr 27 09:50:58 EAT 2010

Andrea, I stand corrected but I think the Ban of DSTV is definitely an ICT
issue more than it is a constitution issue...

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrea Bohnstedt <
andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com> wrote:

> Good morning all,
>
> I don't really see how this is related to the content of the proposed
> constitution (and I think there are mechanisms to deal with such an
> attempted ban on TV watching in the current constitution).
>
> More importantly, it's not really an ICT issue, no?
>
> Have a lovely day,
> Andrea
>
> On 27 April 2010 09:30, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> At the risk of getting OT:
>>
>> I believe the constitution should be based on facts and not beliefs. If
>> Christians have their own belief on abortion, let them handle it at their
>> own expense and effort in the church, and if the Muslims have their own
>> beliefs on Marriage, divorse, etc, let them handle it...
>>
>> This 10 mile strip argument should be laid to rest. I doubt Kenyan Muslims
>> would disassociate themselves with the rest of Kenya and move to the 10 mile
>> strip so that they can practise the 'minor' laws (as we are told) in the new
>> constitution.
>>
>> Current polls show 65%-70% saying Yes. This is not good enough.
>>
>> One important thing stands out in these arguments. Perhaps Kenyans and not
>> our current Constitution need to change.
>>
>> o_O
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 4/27/10, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>> To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
>>
>> Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 9:14 AM
>>
>>
>> Dear Emmanuel,
>>
>> There is a very clear difference between a chief's proclamation - or read,
>> a
>> "Govt - (which is
>> to an extend been set up through popular will)and laws imposed through
>> religious fundamentalism
>> under flimsy excuses.
>>
>> Now, while it's got everything to do with the current constitution (
>> though
>> I do not have any
>> idea under which chapters these proclamations were meted out, I also
>> believe
>> such moves coming
>> while we are trying to piece together a new one, might be a signal to
>> things
>> to come.Infact,it
>> could mean things could only get worse under the new one.
>>
>> Governance, through popular will is duty-bound to protect the very basic
>> of
>> rights - for all..
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>[mailto:
>> emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>]
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:48 AM
>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/[email protected]>
>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>>
>> Did I miss some news?
>>
>> I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a
>> decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in
>> "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim
>> youth alike.
>>
>> I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new
>> Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to
>> do
>> with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts
>> or
>> any of those parts being contested?
>>
>> I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask
>> ourselves, what's Christ do?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Emmanuel
>> PS: The views expressed here are my own..
>>
>>
>> >  -------Original Message-------
>> >  From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>> >
>> >  To: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>> >  Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>> >
>> >  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>> >  Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
>> >
>> >  You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this  country...???
>> >
>> >  Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated  by
>> > fundamentalists  upon hapless citizenry, with no regard  whatsoever
>> > for the very basic of  basic  human rights..
>> >
>> >  So, who is fooling who..?  Next thing, internet will be  outlawed in
>> > that  section  of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a
>> > time we  working to  open up space and bridge the national divide.
>> > Time to smell  coffee...
>> >
>> >  Harry
>> >
>> >
>> >  --------------------
>> >  FROM:  kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>> >  [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
>> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>]
>>
>> > ON  BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya
>> >  SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09  AM
>> >  TO: harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/[email protected]>
>> >  CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy  Discussions
>> >  SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the  Sheikhs
>> >
>> >
>> >  Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new
>> > constitution  limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one
>> > religion the  Kenyan  state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who
>> vote YES!
>> >
>> >  Of  course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point
>> > this  out.
>> >
>> >
>> >  On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK:
>> >  mailto:wainaina at madeinkenya.org<http://mc/[email protected]>]
>> wainaina at madeinkenya.org <http://mc/[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>> >  The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law,   outlaw DSTV,
>> >  video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have   come at a
>> >  more unfortunate time. The support they have received from   SUPREM
>> >  (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate   on
>> >  the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our   Constitution.
>> >
>> >  Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent   'treason' in
>> >  my secular nation,  President Kibaki and Prime Minister   Odinga must
>> >  also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts
>> are   omitted
>> >  from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with
>> the   NO
>> >  campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question.   No
>> >  religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy
>> the   privileges
>> >  of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that   may
>> >  disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
>> >
>> >  My   vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured
>> >  by the   Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or
>> >  Christian   cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting
>> >  to determine   where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I
>> do
>> >  so; where and   what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular
>> >  KENYA.
>> >
>> >  No   religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and
>> >  no   loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such
>> >  treasonable   actions.
>> >
>> >  Regards,
>> >  Wainaina
>> >
>> >  --
>> >  Sent from my mobile   device
>> >
>> >  Wainaina Mungai
>> >  -----
>> >  [LINK: http://www.bungesms.com] http://www.bungesms.com
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>> >  [LINK: http://www.wainainamungai.com] http://www.wainainamungai.com
>> >
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