[kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs

Tue Apr 27 09:48:26 EAT 2010

I think the concern is if Supkem can propose a 'ban' on DSTv, then it might also happen for internet services (banning websites, ...) and it becomes an ICT issue. The confusion of religious stuff being included in the new (and current) constitutions further creates more confusion and founded/un-founded fears. And that brings in the constitution arguments because the mechanisms to deal with these issues (as you rightfully said) are in the law.

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com> wrote:

From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
To: "wesley kirinya" <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 9:37 AM

Good morning all, 

I don't really see how this is related to the content of the proposed constitution (and I think there are mechanisms to deal with such an attempted ban on TV watching in the current constitution). 

More importantly, it's not really an ICT issue, no? 

Have a lovely day, 
Andrea 

On 27 April 2010 09:30, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

At the risk of getting OT:

I believe the constitution should be based on facts and not beliefs. If Christians have their own belief on abortion, let them handle it at their own expense and effort in the church, and if the Muslims have their own beliefs on Marriage, divorse, etc, let them handle it...

This 10 mile strip argument should be laid to rest. I doubt Kenyan Muslims would disassociate themselves with the rest of Kenya and move to the 10 mile strip so that they can practise the 'minor' laws (as we are told) in the new constitution.

Current polls show 65%-70% saying Yes. This is not good enough.

One important thing stands out in these arguments. Perhaps Kenyans and not our current Constitution need to change.

o_O

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
 wrote:

From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>

Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 9:14 AM

Dear Emmanuel,

There is a very clear difference between a chief's proclamation - or read, a
"Govt - (which is 

to an extend been set up through popular will)and laws imposed through
religious fundamentalism
under flimsy excuses.

Now, while it's got everything to do with the current constitution ( though
I do not have any

idea under which chapters these proclamations were meted out, I also believe
such moves coming
while we are trying to piece together a new one, might be a signal to things
to come.Infact,it 
could
 mean things could only get worse under the new one.

Governance, through popular will is duty-bound to protect the very basic of
rights - for all..

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke [mailto:emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke] 

Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:48 AM
To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs

Did I miss some news?

I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a
decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in
"Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both
 Christian and Muslim
youth alike.

I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new
Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to do
with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts or

any of those parts being contested?

I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask
ourselves, what's Christ do? 

Regards,

Emmanuel
PS: The views expressed here are my own..

>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
>  To: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke

>  Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs

>  Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
>  
>  You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this  country...???
>  
>  Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated  by  
> fundamentalists  upon hapless citizenry, with no regard  whatsoever 

> for the very basic of  basic  human rights..
>  
>  So, who is fooling who..?  Next thing, internet will be  outlawed in 
> that  section  of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a 
> time we  working to  open up space and bridge the national divide. 

> Time to smell  coffee...
>  
>  Harry
>  
>  
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> ON  BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya
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>  TO: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
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>  SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the  Sheikhs
>  
>  
>  Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new  
> constitution  limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to
 the one 
> religion the  Kenyan  state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who
vote YES!
>  
>  Of  course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point 
> this  out.
>  

>  
>  On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK:
>  mailto:wainaina at madeinkenya.org] wainaina at madeinkenya.org>  wrote:

>  The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law,   outlaw DSTV,
>  video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have   come at a
>  more unfortunate time. The support they have received from   SUPREM

>  (Supreme Council of Kenya
 Muslims) further complicates the debate   on
>  the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our   Constitution.
>  
>  Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent   'treason' in

>  my secular nation,  President Kibaki and Prime Minister   Odinga must
>  also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are   omitted
>  from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the   NO

>  campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question.   No
>  religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the   privileges
>  of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that   may

>  disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
> 

>  My   vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured
>  by the   Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or
>  Christian   cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting

>  to determine   where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do
>  so; where and   what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular
>  KENYA.
>  
>  No   religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and

>  no   loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such
>  treasonable   actions.
>  
>  Regards,
>  Wainaina
>  
>  --
>  Sent from my mobile   device
>  

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