[kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs

Tue Apr 27 09:37:48 EAT 2010

Good morning all,

I don't really see how this is related to the content of the proposed
constitution (and I think there are mechanisms to deal with such an
attempted ban on TV watching in the current constitution).

More importantly, it's not really an ICT issue, no?

Have a lovely day,
Andrea

On 27 April 2010 09:30, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> At the risk of getting OT:
>
> I believe the constitution should be based on facts and not beliefs. If
> Christians have their own belief on abortion, let them handle it at their
> own expense and effort in the church, and if the Muslims have their own
> beliefs on Marriage, divorse, etc, let them handle it...
>
> This 10 mile strip argument should be laid to rest. I doubt Kenyan Muslims
> would disassociate themselves with the rest of Kenya and move to the 10 mile
> strip so that they can practise the 'minor' laws (as we are told) in the new
> constitution.
>
> Current polls show 65%-70% saying Yes. This is not good enough.
>
> One important thing stands out in these arguments. Perhaps Kenyans and not
> our current Constitution need to change.
>
> o_O
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/27/10, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
> To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
>
> Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 9:14 AM
>
>
> Dear Emmanuel,
>
> There is a very clear difference between a chief's proclamation - or read,
> a
> "Govt - (which is
> to an extend been set up through popular will)and laws imposed through
> religious fundamentalism
> under flimsy excuses.
>
> Now, while it's got everything to do with the current constitution ( though
> I do not have any
> idea under which chapters these proclamations were meted out, I also
> believe
> such moves coming
> while we are trying to piece together a new one, might be a signal to
> things
> to come.Infact,it
> could mean things could only get worse under the new one.
>
> Governance, through popular will is duty-bound to protect the very basic of
> rights - for all..
>
> Harry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>[mailto:
> emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:48 AM
> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/[email protected]>
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>
> Did I miss some news?
>
> I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a
> decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in
> "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim
> youth alike.
>
> I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new
> Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to
> do
> with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts or
> any of those parts being contested?
>
> I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask
> ourselves, what's Christ do?
>
> Regards,
>
> Emmanuel
> PS: The views expressed here are my own..
>
>
> >  -------Original Message-------
> >  From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
> >
> >  To: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
> >  Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
> >
> >  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
> >  Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
> >
> >  You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this  country...???
> >
> >  Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated  by
> > fundamentalists  upon hapless citizenry, with no regard  whatsoever
> > for the very basic of  basic  human rights..
> >
> >  So, who is fooling who..?  Next thing, internet will be  outlawed in
> > that  section  of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a
> > time we  working to  open up space and bridge the national divide.
> > Time to smell  coffee...
> >
> >  Harry
> >
> >
> >  --------------------
> >  FROM:  kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
> >  [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>]
>
> > ON  BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya
> >  SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09  AM
> >  TO: harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/[email protected]>
> >  CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy  Discussions
> >  SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the  Sheikhs
> >
> >
> >  Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new
> > constitution  limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one
> > religion the  Kenyan  state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who
> vote YES!
> >
> >  Of  course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point
> > this  out.
> >
> >
> >  On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK:
> >  mailto:wainaina at madeinkenya.org<http://mc/[email protected]>]
> wainaina at madeinkenya.org <http://mc/[email protected]>>
> wrote:
> >  The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law,   outlaw DSTV,
> >  video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have   come at a
> >  more unfortunate time. The support they have received from   SUPREM
> >  (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate   on
> >  the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our   Constitution.
> >
> >  Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent   'treason' in
> >  my secular nation,  President Kibaki and Prime Minister   Odinga must
> >  also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are   omitted
> >  from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the   NO
> >  campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question.   No
> >  religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the   privileges
> >  of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that   may
> >  disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
> >
> >  My   vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured
> >  by the   Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or
> >  Christian   cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting
> >  to determine   where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do
> >  so; where and   what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular
> >  KENYA.
> >
> >  No   religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and
> >  no   loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such
> >  treasonable   actions.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >  Wainaina
> >
> >  --
> >  Sent from my mobile   device
> >
> >  Wainaina Mungai
> >  -----
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