Andrea, I stand corrected but I think the Ban of DSTV is definitely an ICT issue more than it is a constitution issue... <br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrea Bohnstedt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com">andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Good morning all, <br><br>I don't really see how this is related to the content of the proposed constitution (and I think there are mechanisms to deal with such an attempted ban on TV watching in the current constitution). <br>
<br>More importantly, it's not really an ICT issue, no? <br><br>Have a lovely day, <br>Andrea <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 27 April 2010 09:30, wesley kirinya <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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At the risk of getting OT:<br><br>I believe the constitution should be based on facts and not beliefs. If Christians have their own belief on abortion, let them handle it at their own expense and effort in the church, and if the Muslims have their own beliefs on Marriage, divorse, etc, let them handle it...<br>
<br>This 10 mile strip argument should be laid to rest. I doubt Kenyan Muslims would disassociate themselves with the rest of Kenya and move to the 10 mile strip so that they can practise the 'minor' laws (as we are told) in the new constitution.<br>
<br><div>Current polls show 65%-70% saying Yes. This is not good enough.<br></div><br>One important thing stands out in these arguments. Perhaps Kenyans and not our current Constitution need to change.<br><br>o_O<div>
<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 4/27/10, Harry Delano <i><<a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>></i></b>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div><br>From: Harry Delano <<a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>><br>
</div><div>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs<br></div>To: <a href="mailto:kiriinya2000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">kiriinya2000@yahoo.com</a><div><br>Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
</div>Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 9:14 AM<br><br><div><div><div></div><div><br>Dear Emmanuel,<br><br>There is a very clear difference between a chief's proclamation - or read, a<br>"Govt - (which is <br>
to an extend been set up through popular will)and laws imposed through<br>religious fundamentalism<br>under flimsy excuses.<br><br>Now, while it's got everything to do with the current constitution ( though<br>I do not have any<br>
idea under which chapters these proclamations were meted out, I also believe<br>such moves coming<br>while we are trying to piece together a new one, might be a signal to things<br>to come.Infact,it <br>could
mean things could only get worse under the new one.<br><br>Governance, through popular will is duty-bound to protect the very basic of<br>rights - for all..<br><br>Harry<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="http://mc/compose?to=emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke" target="_blank">emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke</a> [mailto:<a href="http://mc/compose?to=emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke" target="_blank">emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke</a>] <br>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:48 AM<br>To: <a href="http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a><br>Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs<br>
<br>Did I miss some news?<br><br>I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a<br>decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in<br>"Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both
Christian and Muslim<br>youth alike.<br><br>I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new<br>Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to do<br>with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts or<br>
any of those parts being contested?<br><br>I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask<br>ourselves, what's Christ do? <br><br>Regards,<br><br>Emmanuel<br>PS: The views expressed here are my own..<br>
<br><br>> -------Original Message-------<br>> From: Harry Delano <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>><br>> To: <a href="http://mc/compose?to=emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke" target="_blank">emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke</a><br>
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs<br>
> Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26<br>> <br>> You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this country...???<br>> <br>> Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated by <br>> fundamentalists upon hapless citizenry, with no regard whatsoever <br>
> for the very basic of basic human rights..<br>> <br>> So, who is fooling who..? Next thing, internet will be outlawed in <br>> that section of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a <br>
> time we working to open up space and bridge the national divide. <br>
> Time to smell coffee...<br>> <br>> Harry<br>> <br>> <br>>
--------------------<br>> FROM: kictanet-bounces+harry=<a href="http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+harry</a>=<a href="http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] <br>
> ON BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya<br>> SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09 AM<br>> TO: <a href="http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a><br>> CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
> SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs<br>> <br>> <br>> Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new <br>> constitution limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to
the one <br>> religion the Kenyan state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who<br>vote YES!<br>> <br>> Of course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point <br>> this out.<br>> <br>
> <br>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK:<br>> mailto:<a href="http://mc/compose?to=wainaina@madeinkenya.org" target="_blank">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a>] <a href="http://mc/compose?to=wainaina@madeinkenya.org" target="_blank">wainaina@madeinkenya.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law, outlaw DSTV,<br>> video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have come at a<br>> more unfortunate time. The support they have received from SUPREM<br>
> (Supreme Council of Kenya
Muslims) further complicates the debate on<br>> the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our Constitution.<br>> <br>> Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent 'treason' in<br>
> my secular nation, President Kibaki and Prime Minister Odinga must<br>> also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are omitted<br>> from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the NO<br>
> campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question. No<br>> religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the privileges<br>> of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that may<br>
> disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.<br>>
<br>> My vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured<br>> by the Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or<br>> Christian cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting<br>
> to determine where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do<br>> so; where and what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular<br>> KENYA.<br>> <br>> No religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and<br>
> no loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such<br>> treasonable actions.<br>> <br>> Regards,<br>> Wainaina<br>> <br>> --<br>> Sent from my mobile device<br>> <br>
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