[kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices

Fri Sep 11 10:32:37 EAT 2009

Alex,

Mistakes are made in ideas, but that does not mean I have not dome my
research well. I think I should have said, Bill, stay on in fighting for the
battle of empowering the internet users of their rights. By this, I do not
mean he (Bill) is the only person who does that. We are all doing it in our
own capacities!

Thanks

2009/9/10 Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com>

> Solomon,
>
> It would really help everyone if you did your background research a
> little more before commenting on some issues.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > Stay on and fight for what you want while in the 'system.' If you pull
> > out, you;ll have lost the battle of internet rights and users!
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/09/2009, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Bill,
> >>
> >> Leaving the list is not the solution....in my view there is more good
> than
> >> bad.
> >>
> >> N
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Bill Kagai <billkagai at gmail.com>
> >> To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
> >> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>; KICTAnet ICT Policy
> Discussions
> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:39 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet
> prices
> >>
> >> Alex,
> >> Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from
> >> highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last
> >> attacked. Through a bdix.net mailing list. You have opted to keep
> >> quiet about this.
> >>
> >> If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of
> >> your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let
> >> him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an
> >> accomplice.
> >>
> >> Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I
> >> also want cheap internet.
> >>
> >> Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person
> >> who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the
> >> culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us
> >> into a destructive path.
> >>
> >> Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have
> >> anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I
> >> do not know what am doing in this list any more.
> >>
> >> Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do.....
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex <
> alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Bill,
> >>>
> >>> "The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win,
> >>> you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin.
> >>> I shall steer clear of the lowly races.
> >>>
> >>> inline responses,
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> Alex,
> >>>> Don't beat around the bush.
> >>>
> >>> Bill = Impunity? Let's see....
> >>>
> >>> But if you wish;
> >>>
> >>> 1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask
> >>> them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and
> >>> messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You
> >>> are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls,
> >>> location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc )
> >>> on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask
> >>> for Data Protection bill aimlessly.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if
> >>> I was at the location given unto you.
> >>>
> >>> 3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power
> >>> rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location
> >>> had an outage.
> >>>
> >>> 4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who
> >>> needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not
> >>> send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to
> >>> confirm if indeed I told them so.
> >>>
> >>>> 1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person??
> >>>> 2. Do you have his contacts??
> >>>> 3. Are you Onyango Hatari??
> >>>>
> >>>> Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten
> >>>> this matter!!!!
> >>>
> >>> I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable
> >>> response.
> >>>
> >>> @Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer):
> >>>
> >>> Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and
> >>> telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me
> >>> for data. What did you really want it for?
> >>> Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist"
> >>> here <http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video>
> >>>
> >>> I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael
> >>> Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator
> >>> let me know I can do that? (~10MB).
> >>>
> >>> ----------
> >>> Finally,
> >>>
> >>> My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's
> >>> Michael Joseph offers  verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet
> >>> prices have to come down, immediately!
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>>
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex
> >>>> <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something
> already
> >>>>> illegal.... Please take note.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not
> >>>>>> exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this
> >>>>>> list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address.
> This
> >>>>>> matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police
> >>>>>> station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for
> libel
> >>>>>> because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers
> >>>>>> Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with
> >>>>>> investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true
> >>>>>> identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who
> >>>>>> has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari???
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Bildad Kagai
> >>>>>> MD - MediaCorp Limited
> >>>>>> Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor
> >>>>>> Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue
> >>>>>> P. O. Box 20311 - 00200
> >>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya
> >>>>>> Tel. 254 20 272 8332
> >>>>>> Fax. Rendered Obsolete
> >>>>>> S - 1°17'13.8"
> >>>>>> E - 36°48'22.7"
> >>>>>> www.mediacorp.co.ke
> >>>>>> --
> >>
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> >
> > --
> > Solomon Mburu
> > P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi
> > Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041
> >
> > Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all
> > the same way to the side of a hill!
> >
> > AND
> >
> > It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous
> generosity!
> >
> >
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-- 
Solomon Mburu
P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi
Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041

Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the
same way to the side of a hill!

AND

It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!

blog: http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com
Sent from Nairobi, Kenya
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