<span style="font-family: georgia,serif;">Alex, </span><br style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><br style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia,serif;">Mistakes are made in ideas, but that does not mean I have not dome my research well. I think I should have said, Bill, stay on in fighting for the battle of empowering the internet users of their rights. By this, I do not mean he (Bill) is the only person who does that. We are all doing it in our own capacities!</span><br style="font-family: georgia,serif;">
<br style="font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style="font-family: georgia,serif;">Thanks</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/9/10 Alex Gakuru <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gakuru@gmail.com">gakuru@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Solomon,<br>
<br>
It would really help everyone if you did your background research a<br>
little more before commenting on some issues.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Alex<br>
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Solomon Mburu <<a href="mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com">solo.mburu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Bill,<br>
><br>
> Stay on and fight for what you want while in the 'system.' If you pull<br>
> out, you;ll have lost the battle of internet rights and users!<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 10/09/2009, Catherine Adeya <<a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com">elizaslider@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Bill,<br>
>><br>
>> Leaving the list is not the solution....in my view there is more good than<br>
>> bad.<br>
>><br>
>> N<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ________________________________<br>
>> From: Bill Kagai <<a href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com">elizaslider@yahoo.com</a><br>
>> Cc: ke-users <<a href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:57:39 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices<br>
>><br>
>> Alex,<br>
>> Robert is apparently well known following emails I received from<br>
>> highly reputable people in the Human Rights sector where he last<br>
>> attacked. Through a <a href="http://bdix.net" target="_blank">bdix.net</a> mailing list. You have opted to keep<br>
>> quiet about this.<br>
>><br>
>> If you continue protecting his identity and he remains a member of<br>
>> your organisation, you ought to be ACCOUNTABLE as the chairman and let<br>
>> him face the full wrath of his RESPONSIBILITY. Otherwise, you are an<br>
>> accomplice.<br>
>><br>
>> Don't mix the sad issue of Defamation today with Consumer Rights. I<br>
>> also want cheap internet.<br>
>><br>
>> Also take heed, I do not represent Michael Joseph or any other person<br>
>> who faced attacks from Robert but I took responsibility to unearth the<br>
>> culprit as a proud Kenyan who is not ready to see one soul drive us<br>
>> into a destructive path.<br>
>><br>
>> Unless you become bold and expose him, I am sorry I do not have<br>
>> anything good to say about you too and your organisation. Actually, I<br>
>> do not know what am doing in this list any more.<br>
>><br>
>> Good bye....ALL. I can certainly get better things to do.....<br>
>><br>
>> Bill<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Gakuru Alex <<a href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>> Bill,<br>
>>><br>
>>> "The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win,<br>
>>> you're still a rat."- Lily Tomlin.<br>
>>> I shall steer clear of the lowly races.<br>
>>><br>
>>> inline responses,<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Bill Kagai <<a href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Alex,<br>
>>>> Don't beat around the bush.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Bill = Impunity? Let's see....<br>
>>><br>
>>> But if you wish;<br>
>>><br>
>>> 1) find out from your Safaricom friend where I was all day today. Ask<br>
>>> them for my mobile phone user location tracking and the days calls and<br>
>>> messages log to verify that indeed I had my handset on me all day. You<br>
>>> are aware that they all have all this huge amount of data(SMS, calls,<br>
>>> location, transaction, whom we call, when, conversation details etc )<br>
>>> on all of our communications on their servers, right? We do not ask<br>
>>> for Data Protection bill aimlessly.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 2) Indulge your investigations skills more- e.g. ask my neighbours if<br>
>>> I was at the location given unto you.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 3) Go to Kenya Power and Lighting Company and ask them for their power<br>
>>> rationing program for today. And confirm whether indeed my location<br>
>>> had an outage.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 4) I spoke with several respected senior personalities today who<br>
>>> needed data and information. Without power, I regretted, I could not<br>
>>> send them via emails. I am ready to give you their numbers for you to<br>
>>> confirm if indeed I told them so.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> 1. Have you met Onyango Hatari in person??<br>
>>>> 2. Do you have his contacts??<br>
>>>> 3. Are you Onyango Hatari??<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Call me....0724226600 we discuss this matter. We need to straighten<br>
>>>> this matter!!!!<br>
>>><br>
>>> I shall not qualify or dignify your allegations with an honourable<br>
>>> response.<br>
>>><br>
>>> @Journalist: Anne-Marie Kinyanjui (and despite your disclaimer):<br>
>>><br>
>>> Are you are qualified to advice us on consumer advocacy and<br>
>>> telecommunications investments? You wrote me an email asking for me<br>
>>> for data. What did you really want it for?<br>
>>> Whom does a journalist write for? See for "professional journalist"<br>
>>> here <<a href="http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/john-pilger-video</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I can send to kictanet the KBC and NTV News clips of the same Michael<br>
>>> Joseph interview, then all you can understand what I mean. Moderator<br>
>>> let me know I can do that? (~10MB).<br>
>>><br>
>>> ----------<br>
>>> Finally,<br>
>>><br>
>>> My data-based analysis remains valid, until and unless Safaricom's<br>
>>> Michael Joseph offers �verifiable proof on the contrary. Internet<br>
>>> prices have to come down, immediately!<br>
>>><br>
>>> regards,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Alex<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gakuru Alex<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com">alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> Bill, your remark as it stands right here borders on something already<br>
>>>>> illegal.... Please take note.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <<a href="mailto:billkagai@gmail.com">billkagai@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We are missing the point here. Clearly, 'Onyango Hatari' does not<br>
>>>>>> exist and is just a pseudonym for someone we know quite well on this<br>
>>>>>> list who prefers to spew hatred using a different email address. This<br>
>>>>>> matter in no longer on 'consumers' rights'.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I would encourage Michael Joseph to report to the nearest police<br>
>>>>>> station for investigations to commence with a view of suing for libel<br>
>>>>>> because this is clear defamation. The Chairman of the ICT Consumers<br>
>>>>>> Association should be one of the respondents 'to assist police with<br>
>>>>>> investigations' since he seems to be the only one who knows the true<br>
>>>>>> identity of one Onyango Hatari. Or is there anyone in this list who<br>
>>>>>> has actually interacted with Onyango Hatari???<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>> Bildad Kagai<br>
>>>>>> MD - MediaCorp Limited<br>
>>>>>> Nairobi Stock Exchange Authorised Information Vendor<br>
>>>>>> Suite B2, Tetu Court, State House Avenue<br>
>>>>>> P. O. Box 20311 - 00200<br>
>>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya<br>
>>>>>> Tel. 254 20 272 8332<br>
>>>>>> Fax. Rendered Obsolete<br>
>>>>>> S - 1�17'13.8"<br>
>>>>>> E - 36�48'22.7"<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.mediacorp.co.ke" target="_blank">www.mediacorp.co.ke</a><br>
>>>>>> --<br>
>><br>
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> the same way to the side of a hill!<br>
><br>
> AND<br>
><br>
> It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!<br>
><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Solomon Mburu<br>P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi<br>Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041<br><br>Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!<br>
<br>AND<br><br>It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! <br><br><br>blog: <a href="http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com">http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com</a><br>Sent from Nairobi, Kenya<br>