[kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests

Fri Oct 10 02:08:05 EAT 2008

Dr NdemoThanks for the response. Its good to see you contributing to this
discussion. You must understand the angst of Kenyans all over who took your
pronouncements as decisions rather than a request for commends.

Please clarify this:

Are stating that the decision to allow foreign companies to operate in Kenya
without local partners has not been made?

Additionally are you also stating that your reported comments were nothing
but a request for comments?

Please let me know

Joe

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:24 PM, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

> Dear Joseph,
> I have never in my life shied away from my responsibility.  It is my
> responsibility to raise issues that are hurting the industry.  Seeking
> public views is not a crime. We are going through the discussion in order
> to accomodate all views.  I expected reasonable contributions.  It is
> important to note that since independence, we have never had to contribute
> to policy making like we are doing it here now.
>
>
> Have a diaspora day.
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
> > CrystalThis is demeaning to Kenyans. You should stop discussing issues
> > about
> > Kenya unless you know what you are talking about.
> >
> > Grameen Bank and Telecom is a Bangladeshi company. Why shouldn't Kenyans
> > own
> > the major telecomms? Is there a law that states only foreigners can own
> > these companies?
> >
> > Anyway I do not want to belittle this discussion by reading what
> > foreigners
> > think about Kenyans. Only Kenyans can solve Kenyan issues.
> >
> > I do not know what John is talking about (and I know John, unlike most of
> > you who do not) and I am waiting to hear a response from PS Ndemo. I
> think
> > the least we can demand of our public servant is a fair hearing. Let Dr
> > Ndemo speak for himself. And those who are just heckling should step
> > aside.
> > The Moi era when people just spoke good of people in power and never
> > questioned their public actions (rather than private), and Dr Ndemo's
> > pronouncement was a very public action, should be over. At least I hope
> > so.
> >
> > I am looking forward to hearing Dr Ndemo pay us the honor of explaining
> > his
> > official action. This is serious business. We are talking about the
> giving
> > away of publicly owned rare resources.
> >
> > John et al and Brian et al - stop taking sides and making it personal. It
> > is
> > not personal, it is business.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:06 AM, John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Crystal
> >>
> >> Cheap argument. So Kenya doesnt have small Telekoms? Please stop these
> >> roadside mentality
> >>
> >> We have our small telkoms and know that however long it will take to
> >> recover and get the crooks. We will get them
> >>
> >> JM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Crystal Watley <crystal at voicesofafrica.org>
> >> To: Fred Okono <fredokono at cfsk.org>
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>;
> >> ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 6:15:39 PM
> >> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand
> >> Vested Interests
> >>
> >> Kenyans CAN own their own telecom. There is a minority owned telecom in
> >> the
> >> US and it is huge in Bangladesh. There is no reason why someone couldn't
> >> do
> >> it in Kenya.
> >>
> >> Two questions: Who has the vision? Who has the funding?
> >>
> >> Minority Owned Telecom in the United States
> >>
> >>
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fsb/fsb_archive/2006/12/01/8395123/index.htm
> >>
> >> Grameen Phone in Bangladesh
> >>
> >> http://www.grameenphone.com/index.php?id=68
> >>
> >> Asante sana,
> >>
> >> Crystal
> >>
> >> There comes time in everyone's life, where they have to stop talking and
> >> start doing....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Fred Okono <fredokono at cfsk.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Dear John,
> >>>
> >>> You are abviously a very angry person, shooting straight from the hip -
> >>> the only redeeming quality of your anger being that on the face of it,
> >>> it is
> >>> inspired by a love of country. But can we keep it civil?
> >>>
> >>> Indeed Kenyans should own all our strategic and fundamental
> >>> infrastructure, but nothing is wrong with seeking foreign back-up on
> >>> our way
> >>> to that rarefied goal. I'd rather we had fully foreign-owned
> >>> enterprises
> >>> operating locally, employing a large number of my compatriots, paying
> >>> taxes
> >>> to the government, creating greater consumer utility through
> >>> competition and
> >>> generating auxilliary business opportunities both upstream and
> >>> downstream
> >>> than have no such investments, locally owned or otherwise.
> >>>
> >>> And most importantly, there is no law stopping enterprising Kenyans
> >>> from
> >>> making future bids - WHOLLY KENYAN - for such opportunities! Like you
> >>> rightly pointed out, the Safaricom IPO revealed our hunger for sound
> >>> investments - what we seem to lack are inspired local entrepreneurs to
> >>> harness this. We need more TransCenturies then we can effectively take
> >>> on
> >>> those foreign investors and competitors without need for extreme
> >>> protectionist policies.
> >>>
> >>> As for PS Ndemo - he is one of our best. The very fact that he is part
> >>> of
> >>> and an occassional contributor to this forum speaks of his belief in
> >>> transparency and accountability. And personal interraction with him
> >>> reinforces this impression. Please let us not pull down and drag in the
> >>> mud
> >>> the few really good people we have!
> >>>
> >>>   **
> >>> *Fredrick Okono      **      *
> >>> *Deputy Director*
> >>> *
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>  ** *
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> >>> (0)723-527106|Email:fredokono at cfsk.org <Email%3Afredokono at cfsk.org> <
> mary at cfsk.org>|Website:
> >>> www.cfsk.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  *From:* John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com>
> >>> *To:* fredokono at cfsk.org
> >>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> ;
> >>> ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:20 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested
> >>> Interests
> >>>
> >>>  Nick
> >>>
> >>> You see that its only people like you who are in Kenya not to develope
> >>> Kenya but to exploit are the ones supporting Ndemo. Crooks like him.
> >>> You are
> >>> known and even the BPO society know you as someone who is known not to
> >>> support the general development and economic improvement of thee
> >>> country.
> >>>
> >>> You are known as someone who even his own staff he has consistently
> >>> paid
> >>> poorly. When did  Ndemo give Kenyans a chance to buy the companies and
> >>> they
> >>> said they couldnt? He wouldd rather go to Libya and go and make secret
> >>> deals
> >>> there. Am not suprised that you support him but know that no matter how
> >>> long
> >>> it takees. Kenyans will recover Kenya from looters like you
> >>>
> >>> JM
> >>>  ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt at kencall.com>
> >>> To: j.maina at ymail.com
> >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>;
> >>> ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:13:01 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
> >>>
> >>> I agree totally.
> >>> Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to
> >>> insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more
> >>> investor
> >>> friendly and respectful environment....  Perhaps this person needs to
> >>> put
> >>> their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very
> >>> different
> >>> perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they
> >>> were to
> >>> invest in anything substantial in Kenya...
> >>>
> >>> It is Econet's investors' money.  It is not Kenya's money...
> >>>
> >>> Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the
> >>> participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game
> >>> based on
> >>> rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of
> >>> someone's
> >>> investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law
> >>> mandates
> >>> that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned
> >>> investment?
> >>>  The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were
> >>> still
> >>> required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea
> >>> kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into
> >>> partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been
> >>> in
> >>> Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and
> >>> investment
> >>> unfriendly policies...
> >>> Bravo, Daktari Ndemo!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     Nicholas A. Nesbitt
> >>> Chief Executive Officer
> >>> KenCall EPZ Ltd
> >>> P.O. Box 27507 - 00506
> >>> Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road
> >>> Nairobi, Kenya
> >>>
> >>> +254.20.660.2000 (office)
> >>> +254.20.660.2222 (fax)
> >>> +254.721.458.458 (cell)
> >>>
> >>> nnesbitt at kencall.com
> >>> www.kencall.com
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Fastest Growing Top 100 company*
> >>>
> >>>  On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be
> >>> nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn
> >>> through the
> >>> mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and
> >>> frank
> >>> in this matter.
> >>>
> >>> When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and
> >>> look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the
> >>> news I
> >>> see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always
> >>> campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their
> >>> way
> >>> of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing.
> >>>
> >>> Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance
> >>> record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in
> >>> his
> >>> office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this
> >>> is
> >>> the rule NOT the exception.
> >>>
> >>> Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public
> >>> office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees.
> >>> They
> >>> work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer
> >>> views an
> >>> employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes
> >>> from
> >>> their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office
> >>> working? We
> >>> need to set higher standards for our government. This is not
> >>> accomplished by
> >>> breaking the good ones down.
> >>>
> >>> Asante sana.
> >>>
> >>> Crystal
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe
> >>> <brian at caret.net>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Smells like a smear campaign to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> B
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150
> >>>> >
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