<div dir="ltr">Dr Ndemo<div>Thanks for the response. Its good to see you contributing to this discussion. You must understand the angst of Kenyans all over who took your pronouncements as decisions rather than a request for commends. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Please clarify this:</div><div><br></div><div>Are stating that the decision to allow foreign companies to operate in Kenya without local partners has not been made? </div><div><br></div><div>Additionally are you also stating that your reported comments were nothing but a request for comments?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Please let me know</div><div><br></div><div>Joe<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:24 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Dear Joseph,<br>
I have never in my life shied away from my responsibility. It is my<br>
responsibility to raise issues that are hurting the industry. Seeking<br>
public views is not a crime. We are going through the discussion in order<br>
to accomodate all views. I expected reasonable contributions. It is<br>
important to note that since independence, we have never had to contribute<br>
to policy making like we are doing it here now.<br>
<br>
<br>
Have a diaspora day.<br>
<br>
Ndemo.<br>
<br>
<br>
> CrystalThis is demeaning to Kenyans. You should stop discussing issues<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> about<br>
> Kenya unless you know what you are talking about.<br>
><br>
> Grameen Bank and Telecom is a Bangladeshi company. Why shouldn't Kenyans<br>
> own<br>
> the major telecomms? Is there a law that states only foreigners can own<br>
> these companies?<br>
><br>
> Anyway I do not want to belittle this discussion by reading what<br>
> foreigners<br>
> think about Kenyans. Only Kenyans can solve Kenyan issues.<br>
><br>
> I do not know what John is talking about (and I know John, unlike most of<br>
> you who do not) and I am waiting to hear a response from PS Ndemo. I think<br>
> the least we can demand of our public servant is a fair hearing. Let Dr<br>
> Ndemo speak for himself. And those who are just heckling should step<br>
> aside.<br>
> The Moi era when people just spoke good of people in power and never<br>
> questioned their public actions (rather than private), and Dr Ndemo's<br>
> pronouncement was a very public action, should be over. At least I hope<br>
> so.<br>
><br>
> I am looking forward to hearing Dr Ndemo pay us the honor of explaining<br>
> his<br>
> official action. This is serious business. We are talking about the giving<br>
> away of publicly owned rare resources.<br>
><br>
> John et al and Brian et al - stop taking sides and making it personal. It<br>
> is<br>
> not personal, it is business.<br>
><br>
> Joe<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:06 AM, John Maina <<a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Crystal<br>
>><br>
>> Cheap argument. So Kenya doesnt have small Telekoms? Please stop these<br>
>> roadside mentality<br>
>><br>
>> We have our small telkoms and know that however long it will take to<br>
>> recover and get the crooks. We will get them<br>
>><br>
>> JM<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message ----<br>
>> From: Crystal Watley <<a href="mailto:crystal@voicesofafrica.org">crystal@voicesofafrica.org</a>><br>
>> To: Fred Okono <<a href="mailto:fredokono@cfsk.org">fredokono@cfsk.org</a>><br>
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>;<br>
>> ke-users <<a href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>><br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 6:15:39 PM<br>
>> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand<br>
>> Vested Interests<br>
>><br>
>> Kenyans CAN own their own telecom. There is a minority owned telecom in<br>
>> the<br>
>> US and it is huge in Bangladesh. There is no reason why someone couldn't<br>
>> do<br>
>> it in Kenya.<br>
>><br>
>> Two questions: Who has the vision? Who has the funding?<br>
>><br>
>> Minority Owned Telecom in the United States<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fsb/fsb_archive/2006/12/01/8395123/index.htm" target="_blank">http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fsb/fsb_archive/2006/12/01/8395123/index.htm</a><br>
>><br>
>> Grameen Phone in Bangladesh<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.grameenphone.com/index.php?id=68" target="_blank">http://www.grameenphone.com/index.php?id=68</a><br>
>><br>
>> Asante sana,<br>
>><br>
>> Crystal<br>
>><br>
>> There comes time in everyone's life, where they have to stop talking and<br>
>> start doing....<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Fred Okono <<a href="mailto:fredokono@cfsk.org">fredokono@cfsk.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Dear John,<br>
>>><br>
>>> You are abviously a very angry person, shooting straight from the hip -<br>
>>> the only redeeming quality of your anger being that on the face of it,<br>
>>> it is<br>
>>> inspired by a love of country. But can we keep it civil?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Indeed Kenyans should own all our strategic and fundamental<br>
>>> infrastructure, but nothing is wrong with seeking foreign back-up on<br>
>>> our way<br>
>>> to that rarefied goal. I'd rather we had fully foreign-owned<br>
>>> enterprises<br>
>>> operating locally, employing a large number of my compatriots, paying<br>
>>> taxes<br>
>>> to the government, creating greater consumer utility through<br>
>>> competition and<br>
>>> generating auxilliary business opportunities both upstream and<br>
>>> downstream<br>
>>> than have no such investments, locally owned or otherwise.<br>
>>><br>
>>> And most importantly, there is no law stopping enterprising Kenyans<br>
>>> from<br>
>>> making future bids - WHOLLY KENYAN - for such opportunities! Like you<br>
>>> rightly pointed out, the Safaricom IPO revealed our hunger for sound<br>
>>> investments - what we seem to lack are inspired local entrepreneurs to<br>
>>> harness this. We need more TransCenturies then we can effectively take<br>
>>> on<br>
>>> those foreign investors and competitors without need for extreme<br>
>>> protectionist policies.<br>
>>><br>
>>> As for PS Ndemo - he is one of our best. The very fact that he is part<br>
>>> of<br>
>>> and an occassional contributor to this forum speaks of his belief in<br>
>>> transparency and accountability. And personal interraction with him<br>
>>> reinforces this impression. Please let us not pull down and drag in the<br>
>>> mud<br>
>>> the few really good people we have!<br>
>>><br>
>>> **<br>
>>> *Fredrick Okono ** *<br>
>>> *Deputy Director*<br>
>>> *<br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>> ** *<br>
>>> *Computers for Schools Kenya *<br>
>>> Semco Business Park | Unit 1, Mombasa Road | P.O. Box 48584-00100 |<br>
>>> Nairobi , Kenya |<br>
>>> Tel:254(0)202060919, Tel/Fax: 254 (0)20 2060920 Mobile<br>
</div></div>>>> (0)723-527106|<a href="mailto:Email%3Afredokono@cfsk.org">Email:fredokono@cfsk.org</a> <<a href="mailto:mary@cfsk.org">mary@cfsk.org</a>>|Website:<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">>>> <a href="http://www.cfsk.org" target="_blank">www.cfsk.org</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">>>> *From:* John Maina <<a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a>><br>
>>> *To:* <a href="mailto:fredokono@cfsk.org">fredokono@cfsk.org</a><br>
>>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> ;<br>
>>> ke-users <<a href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>><br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:20 PM<br>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested<br>
>>> Interests<br>
>>><br>
>>> Nick<br>
>>><br>
>>> You see that its only people like you who are in Kenya not to develope<br>
>>> Kenya but to exploit are the ones supporting Ndemo. Crooks like him.<br>
>>> You are<br>
>>> known and even the BPO society know you as someone who is known not to<br>
>>> support the general development and economic improvement of thee<br>
>>> country.<br>
>>><br>
>>> You are known as someone who even his own staff he has consistently<br>
>>> paid<br>
>>> poorly. When did Ndemo give Kenyans a chance to buy the companies and<br>
>>> they<br>
>>> said they couldnt? He wouldd rather go to Libya and go and make secret<br>
>>> deals<br>
>>> there. Am not suprised that you support him but know that no matter how<br>
>>> long<br>
>>> it takees. Kenyans will recover Kenya from looters like you<br>
>>><br>
>>> JM<br>
>>> ----- Original Message ----<br>
>>> From: nicholasnesbitt <<a href="mailto:nnesbitt@kencall.com">nnesbitt@kencall.com</a>><br>
>>> To: <a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com">j.maina@ymail.com</a><br>
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>;<br>
>>> ke-users <<a href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>><br>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:13:01 PM<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests<br>
>>><br>
>>> I agree totally.<br>
>>> Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to<br>
>>> insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more<br>
>>> investor<br>
>>> friendly and respectful environment.... Perhaps this person needs to<br>
>>> put<br>
>>> their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very<br>
>>> different<br>
>>> perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they<br>
>>> were to<br>
>>> invest in anything substantial in Kenya...<br>
>>><br>
>>> It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money...<br>
>>><br>
>>> Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the<br>
>>> participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game<br>
>>> based on<br>
>>> rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of<br>
>>> someone's<br>
>>> investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law<br>
>>> mandates<br>
>>> that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned<br>
>>> investment?<br>
>>> The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were<br>
>>> still<br>
>>> required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea<br>
>>> kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into<br>
>>> partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been<br>
>>> in<br>
>>> Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and<br>
>>> investment<br>
>>> unfriendly policies...<br>
>>> Bravo, Daktari Ndemo!<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Nicholas A. Nesbitt<br>
>>> Chief Executive Officer<br>
>>> KenCall EPZ Ltd<br>
>>> P.O. Box 27507 - 00506<br>
>>> Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road<br>
>>> Nairobi, Kenya<br>
>>><br>
>>> +254.20.660.2000 (office)<br>
>>> +254.20.660.2222 (fax)<br>
>>> +254.721.458.458 (cell)<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="mailto:nnesbitt@kencall.com">nnesbitt@kencall.com</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.kencall.com" target="_blank">www.kencall.com</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> *Fastest Growing Top 100 company*<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be<br>
>>> nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn<br>
>>> through the<br>
>>> mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and<br>
>>> frank<br>
>>> in this matter.<br>
>>><br>
>>> When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and<br>
>>> look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the<br>
>>> news I<br>
>>> see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always<br>
>>> campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their<br>
>>> way<br>
>>> of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance<br>
>>> record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in<br>
>>> his<br>
>>> office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this<br>
>>> is<br>
>>> the rule NOT the exception.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public<br>
>>> office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees.<br>
>>> They<br>
>>> work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer<br>
>>> views an<br>
>>> employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes<br>
>>> from<br>
>>> their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office<br>
>>> working? We<br>
>>> need to set higher standards for our government. This is not<br>
>>> accomplished by<br>
>>> breaking the good ones down.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Asante sana.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Crystal<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:brian@caret.net">brian@caret.net</a>>wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Smells like a smear campaign to me.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> B<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150" target="_blank">http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150</a><br>
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