[kictanet] - proper representation during vision formulation is what is missing - Konza City is now 10 years old

Sam Oduor sam.oduor at gmail.com
Fri Jan 4 21:34:47 EAT 2019 

Hi John

Many thanks for your email; so looking forward to February - maybe you can
make arrangements  pick-up and drop off locations; of-course at a fee to
help ferry as many techies and investors who are interested.




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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:29 PM John Tanui via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> We shall continue with this conversation, we appreciate your input,
> comments and suggestions.
>
> We can arrange to host you at Konza Technopolis site in February. We look
> forward to getting a confirmation of a date for KICTANet visit to site for
> a further engagement.
>
> Regards
> John Tanui
>
> > On 4 Jan 2019, at 20:12, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Many thanks for your prompt response and for taking this discussion
> > seriously. I think there is need for greater engagement with
> > stakeholders to ensure  this picture remains ingrained in our hearts
> > and minds. You have certainly started of on the right path. From the
> > interview with Capital FM , it appears you have managed to raise
> > significant funding (KES 39 Billion).
> > I have noticed that you have had special days for Policy Makers to
> > make site visits. Can you organize something similar for the Policy
> > and Tech practitioners on KICTANet and Skunkworks in partnership with
> > KICTAnet?. This is a great conversation that should continue. From the
> > Interview, you say that the critical thing for the project is to take
> > off and not completion which i beg to disagree with even though it
> > answers the question Washington is asking on whether Konza is dead or
> > alive.
> >
> > Thank you once again for your respone
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >> On 1/4/19, John Tanui via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my Huawei Mobile
> >> Great comments and suggestions are noted here. The interest is
> appreciated
> >> and we look forward to engaging all our stakeholders especially the tech
> >> community.
> >>
> >> As the person leading the team on implementation of this project, let me
> >> give a brief status on the project.
> >>
> >> Konza Technopolis project is on, it's now moving from planning to
> >> implementation stage. In 2018 two key progress made is the start of the
> >> implementation of  the horizontal infrastructure on phase 1, first
> building
> >> approaching completion and bringing onboard a design consultant for the
> >> research institute to be based at Konza.
> >>
> >> Below are two recent interviews capturing the latest on the project
> >>
> >>
> https://hapakenya.com/2018/12/07/ceo-fridays-kotdas-john-tanui-on-konza-city-as-the-future-of-innovation-and-technology-in-kenya/
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/rgr4tQtSzJw
> >>
> >> Just like the growth history of some of the world leading innovation
> >> spaces/science parks, Konza Technopolis has a long way to go, it's
> journey
> >> is still at the early stages but now taking shape.
> >>
> >> Below is some lessons from one of the world's leading science and
> technology
> >> park  - the research triangle park
> >>
> >> https://www.dartmouth.edu/~jtscott/Papers/00-22.pdf
> >>
> >> There are other different examples of how such innovation and technology
> >> spaces have developed which we can learn from as we fast track bring the
> >> dream of Konza Technopolis into reality. Some include the great and long
> >> history of of the silicon Valley, the shenzhen city of China and the
> Korea's
> >> great transformation  journey which happened in one generation.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Eng. John Tanui
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] - proper representation during vision
> formulation is
> >> what is missing - Konza City is now 10 years old
> >> From: Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
> >> To: tanuijohn at gmail.com
> >> CC: Odhiambo Washington
> >>
> >>
> >>> So, in conclusion, Konza is dead??
> >>>
> >>> I can only see suggestions, but nobody is answering the question.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 14:47, Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet
> >>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Barrack, well noted. Personally I would wish for Konza to
> >>>> succeed... maybe the vision should be broadened initially e.g.
> pitching
> >>>> it as a general SEZ where people can buy low priced duty free goods
> (like
> >>>> a "little dubai") provided they are locally manufactured.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gov could recover the taxes indirectly e.g. through PAYE for the new
> jobs
> >>>> created. Hence a win/win. Price of rent and core services would have
> to
> >>>> be controlled (kept below market) for an initial period - say 10
> years b4
> >>>> gradually transitioning to "free markets".
> >>>>
> >>>> Incentives that boost regional demand for outputs could be what is
> >>>> missing. If business people know they will make money in Konza, they
> will
> >>>> set up.
> >>>>
> >>>> The grandiosity would need to be scaled down initially with focus
> being
> >>>> in foot traffic. Why not do the roads then install tents and run a
> >>>> section of it as a trading SEZ for existing local manufacturers
> (anywhere
> >>>> in Kenya) - say for an initial 1 year trial and those that want to
> >>>> continue past that period would be asked to locate the manufacturing
> of
> >>>> those products on site...
> >>>>
> >>>> Real incentives minimise risk perceptions making it a no brainier....
> >>>>
> >>>> Brgds.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Friday, January 4, 2019, 12:38:56 PM GMT+3, Barrack Otieno
> >>>> <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Patrick,
> >>>>
> >>>> Many thanks for the great points. I totally agree with you. That said
> all
> >>>> is not lost. I attended the launch of Konza by his Excellency
> President
> >>>> Kibaki. The former President in his off the cuff remarks alluded to
> the
> >>>> fact that the project had faced a lot of opposition from the onset by
> >>>> those who felt it was a misplaced priority. He actually compared it to
> >>>> those that never believed that the country would have free primary
> >>>> education. In his opinion Konza was an idea whose time had come. Its
> >>>> unfortunate that the change in government came with new priorities.
> That
> >>>> said, there is still hope for Konza, the dual carriageway to Mombasa
> and
> >>>> the SGR will literally bring the City closer to Nairobi thus solving
> >>>> mobility issues. One just needs to drive to Machakos to see where
> Nairobi
> >>>> is expanding to. The Government also needs to prioritize the project
> and
> >>>> fund it just as it has done with the SGR. I agree with you that there
> is
> >>>> need for broader stakeholder engagement. The Ministry of Trade and
> >>>> Industry and the relevant government arm that deals with Technical and
> >>>> Vocational Education. I would have hoped to see visionaries like Dr.
> >>>> Bitange Ndemo, Nyaki Adeya and even the former President Mwai Kibaki
> play
> >>>> an active advisory role on the Konza project.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 4:42 PM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet
> >>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The root cause is a lack of proper indigenous MSME representation in
> the
> >>>>> boards and committees that come up with these kinds of visions.
> >>>>> Currently where representation exists, it is skewed either in favor
> of
> >>>>> multinationals / bigCorp or to lobbyists beholden to multinationals
> >>>>> /bigCorp simply because they have networks for (or can buy) access.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The (flawed) argument in favor of BigCorp is that they represent the
> big
> >>>>> employers or large taxpayers - and I'll explain why its flawed. Big
> >>>>> companies operate at higher levels of efficiency compared to smaller
> >>>>> companies (because they can leverage automation for example). This is
> >>>>> good in the developed world with single-digit unemployment and where
> >>>>> where a middle-class already exists - but *terrible* in developing
> >>>>> countries with high levels of poverty and >25% unemployment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In developing countries the focus should be on *effectiveness* (not
> >>>>> efficiency). For example if you want to create jobs, you know the
> >>>>> biggest employer from a macro perspective is the MSMEs because their
> low
> >>>>> levels of operational efficiency forces them to hire more workers
> for a
> >>>>> given economic endeavor.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The gap is exponential such that an economic activity that big corp
> >>>>> achieves with 10 employees may require 50 startups - each with 2-5
> >>>>> employees. If you look at it from an activity perspective, the MSME
> >>>>> sector suddenly becomes a mega employer creating jobs at exponential
> >>>>> rates (greater than 1000% per economic activity!!!). These are the
> >>>>> hidden insights that don't get considered at the right platforms when
> >>>>> incentives are being developed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Further, the MSMEs can't afford armies of specialized tax accountants
> >>>>> and offshore tax havens. This means that Government can tailor
> >>>>> incentives with tax on-boarding (e.g. via a "Taxation Sandbox" for
> >>>>> indigenous startups) so that as these MSMEs grow, the Government
> would
> >>>>> be able to collect more taxes from them (and on a broader - more
> >>>>> macro-economically stable scale). So MSMEs as a collective also have
> >>>>> potential to be come mega taxpayers. The goal should not be to milk
> >>>>> taxes today - but to create a robust group of future (3-7 years)
> >>>>> taxpayers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Macroeconomic stability is another benefit inherent in MSMEs. Rather
> >>>>> than relying on all-or nothing all-eggs-in-one-basket approach that
> is
> >>>>> inevitable with big-corp FDI, the government can build entire
> ecosystems
> >>>>> across a diverse range of sectors. The benefits of this are
> innumerable.
> >>>>> One example is that MSMEs don't bully/bribe the government
> bureaucracy
> >>>>> for unproductive or harmful concessions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As elucidated in Kachwanya's insightful article, the quality of FDI
> >>>>> matters. We shouldn't market our people as slave labor. This could
> have
> >>>>> worked in China and India but that era of cheap is now over (AI /
> >>>>> Robotics / IoT is quickly making that obsolete). There are
> technologies
> >>>>> that can fully automate basic BPO services (e.g. end user support
> via NL
> >>>>> AI). A proper strategic policy would take modern trends into
> >>>>> consideration and identify high-value niches where Kenya can offer a
> >>>>> strong global value proposition.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Another thing Government planners appear to have overlooked is the
> idea
> >>>>> of FDI via acquisition of indigenous startups. This strategy has been
> >>>>> executed very well in China and India - which have contextualized
> their
> >>>>> IP and industry laws to give an edge to indigenous clones of trending
> >>>>> technologies (e.g. Flipkart in India). Governments all over the world
> >>>>> subsidize their startups in order to generate new streams of foreign
> >>>>> exchange.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The other mistake that I see is reliance on academia / professors for
> >>>>> policy guidance... As much as the academia is trying, the reality is
> >>>>> that these are the same book-smart academia that churns out
> half-baked
> >>>>> graduates who are out of touch with industry. The local music
> industry
> >>>>> in Kenya is now worth several hundred million shillings as an
> industry
> >>>>> (with potential for billions) and they don't have any professors
> running
> >>>>> their show. Its the street-smart practitioners on the ground who have
> >>>>> transformed the industry...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "It is the shoe wearer who know where the shoe hurts."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So to avoid well meaning initiatives like Konza mutating into
> unintended
> >>>>> flops, the government should co-opt practitioner stakeholders who
> >>>>> understand the real issues in an industry and who have a desire and
> >>>>> vision of a thriving ecosystem. People who can see far ahead - like
> >>>>> Kachwana... I am totally blown away by how his 2013 article is so
> *spot
> >>>>> on* - it's like he had a crystal ball!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In business they say the most valuable customer is the one who
> >>>>> complains, because that's how you genuinely know where to improve. I
> >>>>> believe the same applies at policy and strategic projects level. We
> want
> >>>>> our country to get it right so that everyone can succeed. It's not
> >>>>> negativity - its a desire to improve things at ecosystem level for
> the
> >>>>> benefit of all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thankfully our President is on board with the need for MSME
> incentives
> >>>>> and that makes me optimistic that the Country's vision is evolving
> in a
> >>>>> good direction.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Happy new year everyone and may you have a prosperous and successful
> >>>>> 2019!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rgds,
> >>>>> Patrick A. M. Maina.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thursday, January 3, 2019, 3:24:00 PM GMT+3, Mildred Achoch via
> >>>>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Interesting conversation. Odhiambo Washington, you mentioning that
> there
> >>>>> is a white paper about Konza prompted me to search for it online. I
> came
> >>>>> across this instead. Written 6 years ago but very pertinent today, I
> >>>>> think.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://www.kachwanya.com/2013/01/23/konza-city-meet-the-design-of-a-white-elephant-project-in-the-name-of-silicon-savannah/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Mildred Achoch.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel!
> >>>>> http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:06 PM Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
> >>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Errr, Sam Oduor - I have a feeling that there's a strategy/white
> paper
> >>>>>> somewhere on this Konza thing that might not be in agreement with
> your
> >>>>>> long input.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Usually techies are not historians like you seem inclined. Konza
> was,
> >>>>>> IMHO, supposed to be an ICT hub, not a museum project.
> >>>>>> ICT stuff are supposed to be fully functional within months (not
> years)
> >>>>>> after the groundwork has been laid down, lest they become obsoleted
> by
> >>>>>> time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So far, what's going on in Konza??
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 14:41 Sam Oduor <sam.oduor at gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Personally I do not think it was a white elephant; great ideas
> mature
> >>>>>>> over the long term -> cant take 10-50 years.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rome was not built on a single day - the project needs support from
> >>>>>>> techies like us and investors.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Konza being of National interest should be a phased 10 - 20 - 30 -
> 40
> >>>>>>> - 50 - 60 .... year planned development approach.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Partly I would blame the land/property rush experienced in Kenya
> btw
> >>>>>>> 2009 - 2012 ; guys inflated prices and no one was there to
> regulate -
> >>>>>>> this might have had negative effects some investors planning to go
> in
> >>>>>>> considering investors look at ROI which is key to any investment. I
> >>>>>>> cannot see the math of buying land for 50k and selling it at 800k
> ->
> >>>>>>> this was obviously not sustainable; where does such capital come
> from
> >>>>>>> ? Virtual loans ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Konza and many other projects are still very viable in Kenya and I
> >>>>>>> have high hopes my only plea is for the Govt to be at the core of
> >>>>>>> things like Land, Property and Infrastructure from unjustifiable
> >>>>>>> exploits -> this way it will encourage investors to settle creating
> >>>>>>> more Jobs which equates to good security, a healthy and sustainable
> >>>>>>> economic growth.
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:06 PM Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
> >>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello listers,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Does anyone know what activities are going on at the famed Konza
> City
> >>>>>>>> or it's one of those big white elephants??
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Brian Gitonga Marete shared a post.
> >>>>>>>> 12 hrs ·
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It was obvious that Konza City was a con job from the get go.
> >>>>>>>> Concentrations of industrial excellence do not sprout up suddenly
> >>>>>>>> just because physical buildings and infrastructure are around.
> That
> >>>>>>>> is not the bottleneck, and anyone can provide that. The real
> battles
> >>>>>>>> of realizing something like the proposed Konza city are elsewhere.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> >>>>>>>> Nairobi,KE
> >>>>>>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
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