[kictanet] controversial-it-practitioners-bill-re-emerges

Mon Sep 24 16:10:49 EAT 2018

Hon Godfrey seems to be the man behind this new attempt. As someone
who's known to me, I will closely follow up with him to know the
motive
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 7:12 AM Thomas Kaberi via kictanet
<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Thanks Barrack for the heads-up.
> Well Noted
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 7:44 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> Its Hon Godfrey Osotsi, not Osoro.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:14 Thomas Kaberi via kictanet, <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's wait for the bill to be published.
>>>
>>> Then we can connect  the dots to interrogate both motive and players.
>>>
>>> Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line our speculation may isolate potential allies.
>>>
>>> Some of the views  from last time was to 1. get ahead  of politicians
>>>
>>> 2. and draft a law that is holistic  and progressive,
>>>
>>> it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon.  Otsoro to make no. 2 happen.
>>>
>>> I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before he brought it to the house
>>>
>>> That's a very good sign of an open minded  and progressive legislator.
>>>
>>> And it's a good point to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT practitioner”.
>>>>
>>>> The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well, Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Collins Areba,
>>>> Kilifi, Kenya.
>>>> Tel: +254 707 750 788 / 0731 750 788
>>>> Twitter: @arebacollins.
>>>> Skype: arebacollins
>>>> On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
>>>>
>>>> On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a very contentious  issue  with multiple and divergent interests.
>>>>
>>>> As Ali would put it Kila  mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
>>>>
>>>> But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly  wasn't going to be a one time stand
>>>>
>>>>  On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.
>>>>
>>>> As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
>>>>
>>>> I have listed below 11 key lessons  we could borrow from the previous  lobbying efforts in the first round.
>>>>
>>>> They are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Find out  the political reasons behind the bill
>>>>  --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff.
>>>> ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Lobby both one on one and committee.
>>>> ---The members are smart human beings with personal views  and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
>>>>
>>>> ---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.
>>>>
>>>> --generalities and differences only serve to  make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Give specific  line by line recommendations.
>>>> --It easier to negotiate specifics
>>>>
>>>> 6. Educate  the committee members about implications of each clause.
>>>> --don't  assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes.
>>>> --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is.
>>>>
>>>> 8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.
>>>>
>>>> ---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be.
>>>>
>>>> 10. Focus  on what people really need beyond  what what they seem to seek.
>>>>  -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for.
>>>>
>>>> 11. Whoever hangs on long enough  will have the best chance to win.
>>>> --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear All
>>>>>
>>>>> This is back in parliament again
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>> Barry
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