[kictanet] controversial-it-practitioners-bill-re-emerges

Mon Sep 24 06:24:44 EAT 2018

Thanks Barrack for the heads-up.
Well Noted

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 7:44 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
> Its Hon Godfrey Osotsi, not Osoro.
>
> Regards
>
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:14 Thomas Kaberi via kictanet, <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Let's wait for the bill to be published.
>>
>> Then we can connect  the dots to interrogate both motive and players.
>>
>> Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line
>> our speculation may isolate potential allies.
>>
>> Some of the views  from last time was to 1. get ahead  of politicians
>>
>> 2. and draft a law that is holistic  and progressive,
>>
>> it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon.  Otsoro to
>> make no. 2 happen.
>>
>> I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before
>> he brought it to the house
>>
>> That's a very good sign of an open minded  and progressive legislator.
>>
>> And it's a good point to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT
>>> practitioner”.
>>>
>>> The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well,
>>> Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Collins Areba,
>>> Kilifi, Kenya.
>>> Tel: +*254 707 750 788* / *0731 750 788*
>>> Twitter: @arebacollins.
>>> Skype: arebacollins
>>> On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
>>>
>>> I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’
>>> primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain
>>> people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
>>>
>>> On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a very contentious  issue  with multiple and divergent interests.
>>>
>>> As Ali would put it Kila  mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
>>>
>>> But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this
>>> again, it clearly  wasn't going to be a one time stand
>>>
>>>  On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it
>>> out as well.
>>>
>>> As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the
>>> majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
>>>
>>> I have listed below 11 key lessons  we could borrow from the previous
>>> lobbying efforts in the first round.
>>>
>>> They are:
>>>
>>> 1. Find out  the political reasons behind the bill
>>>  --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
>>>
>>> 2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the
>>> researchers, committee members and support staff.
>>> ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
>>>
>>> 3. Lobby both one on one and committee.
>>> ---The members are smart human beings with personal views  and positions
>>> that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
>>>
>>> ---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in
>>> the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
>>>
>>> 4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and
>>> specifics.
>>>
>>> --generalities and differences only serve to  make the point that we are
>>> disorganised and don't know what we want.
>>>
>>> 5. Give specific  line by line recommendations.
>>> --It easier to negotiate specifics
>>>
>>> 6. Educate  the committee members about implications of each clause.
>>> --don't  assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
>>>
>>>
>>> 7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both
>>> the best and worst outcomes.
>>> --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking
>>> is.
>>>
>>> 8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and
>>> lone ranger self seekers.
>>>
>>> ---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what
>>> they seem to be.
>>>
>>> 10. Focus  on what people really need beyond  what what they seem to
>>> seek.
>>>  -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less
>>> than you bargain for.
>>>
>>> 11. Whoever hangs on long enough  will have the best chance to win.
>>> --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what
>>> it takes.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All
>>>>
>>>> This is back in parliament again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Barry
>>>>
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