[kictanet] controversial-it-practitioners-bill-re-emerges

Thu Sep 20 19:44:24 EAT 2018

Hi Thomas,

Its Hon Godfrey Osotsi, not Osoro.

Regards

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:14 Thomas Kaberi via kictanet, <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Let's wait for the bill to be published.
>
> Then we can connect  the dots to interrogate both motive and players.
>
> Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line
> our speculation may isolate potential allies.
>
> Some of the views  from last time was to 1. get ahead  of politicians
>
> 2. and draft a law that is holistic  and progressive,
>
> it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon.  Otsoro to make
> no. 2 happen.
>
> I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before he
> brought it to the house
>
> That's a very good sign of an open minded  and progressive legislator.
>
> And it's a good point to start.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT
>> practitioner”.
>>
>> The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well,
>> Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Collins Areba,
>> Kilifi, Kenya.
>> Tel: +*254 707 750 788* / *0731 750 788*
>> Twitter: @arebacollins.
>> Skype: arebacollins
>> On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
>>
>> I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’
>> primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain
>> people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
>>
>> On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This is a very contentious  issue  with multiple and divergent interests.
>>
>> As Ali would put it Kila  mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
>>
>> But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this
>> again, it clearly  wasn't going to be a one time stand
>>
>>  On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out
>> as well.
>>
>> As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the
>> majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
>>
>> I have listed below 11 key lessons  we could borrow from the previous
>> lobbying efforts in the first round.
>>
>> They are:
>>
>> 1. Find out  the political reasons behind the bill
>>  --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
>>
>> 2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the
>> researchers, committee members and support staff.
>> ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
>>
>> 3. Lobby both one on one and committee.
>> ---The members are smart human beings with personal views  and positions
>> that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
>>
>> ---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the
>> committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
>>
>> 4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and
>> specifics.
>>
>> --generalities and differences only serve to  make the point that we are
>> disorganised and don't know what we want.
>>
>> 5. Give specific  line by line recommendations.
>> --It easier to negotiate specifics
>>
>> 6. Educate  the committee members about implications of each clause.
>> --don't  assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
>>
>>
>> 7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both
>> the best and worst outcomes.
>> --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking
>> is.
>>
>> 8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and
>> lone ranger self seekers.
>>
>> ---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they
>> seem to be.
>>
>> 10. Focus  on what people really need beyond  what what they seem to
>> seek.
>>  -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less
>> than you bargain for.
>>
>> 11. Whoever hangs on long enough  will have the best chance to win.
>> --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it
>> takes.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> This is back in parliament again
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Barry
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