[kictanet] controversial-it-practitioners-bill-re-emerges

Thu Sep 20 19:13:27 EAT 2018

Let's wait for the bill to be published.

Then we can connect  the dots to interrogate both motive and players.

Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line our
speculation may isolate potential allies.

Some of the views  from last time was to 1. get ahead  of politicians

2. and draft a law that is holistic  and progressive,

it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon.  Otsoro to make
no. 2 happen.

I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before he
brought it to the house

That's a very good sign of an open minded  and progressive legislator.

And it's a good point to start.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT
> practitioner”.
>
> The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well,
> Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Collins Areba,
> Kilifi, Kenya.
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> On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
>
> I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’
> primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain
> people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
>
> On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>
> This is a very contentious  issue  with multiple and divergent interests.
>
> As Ali would put it Kila  mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
>
> But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this
> again, it clearly  wasn't going to be a one time stand
>
>  On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out
> as well.
>
> As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority
> flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
>
> I have listed below 11 key lessons  we could borrow from the previous
> lobbying efforts in the first round.
>
> They are:
>
> 1. Find out  the political reasons behind the bill
>  --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
>
> 2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the
> researchers, committee members and support staff.
> ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
>
> 3. Lobby both one on one and committee.
> ---The members are smart human beings with personal views  and positions
> that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
>
> ---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the
> committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
>
> 4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and
> specifics.
>
> --generalities and differences only serve to  make the point that we are
> disorganised and don't know what we want.
>
> 5. Give specific  line by line recommendations.
> --It easier to negotiate specifics
>
> 6. Educate  the committee members about implications of each clause.
> --don't  assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
>
>
> 7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the
> best and worst outcomes.
> --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking
> is.
>
> 8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and
> lone ranger self seekers.
>
> ---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they
> seem to be.
>
> 10. Focus  on what people really need beyond  what what they seem to seek.
>  -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than
> you bargain for.
>
> 11. Whoever hangs on long enough  will have the best chance to win.
> --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it
> takes.
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Dear All
>>
>> This is back in parliament again
>>
>>
>> https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> regards
>> Barry
>>
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