<div dir="auto">Let's wait for the bill to be published.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Then we can connect the dots to interrogate both motive and players. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line our speculation may isolate potential allies.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some of the views from last time was to 1. get ahead of politicians</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. and draft a law that is holistic and progressive, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon. Otsoro to make no. 2 happen.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before he brought it to the house </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That's a very good sign of an open minded and progressive legislator. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And it's a good point to start.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div name="messageBodySection" style="font-size:14px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,sans-serif">I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT practitioner”.
<div><br></div>
<div>The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well, Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)</div>
</div>
<div name="messageSignatureSection" style="font-size:14px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,sans-serif"><br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Collins Areba,<br>
Kilifi, Kenya.<br>
Tel: +<b>254 707 750 788</b> / <b>0731 750 788</b><br>
Twitter: @arebacollins.<br>
Skype: arebacollins</div>
<div name="messageReplySection" style="font-size:14px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,sans-serif">On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>, wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="margin:5px 5px;padding-left:10px;border-left:thin solid #1abc9c"><font face="Avenir-Book" style="font-size:14px">I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.<br></font>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="margin:5px 5px;padding-left:10px;border-left:thin solid #e67e22">
<div>On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div>
<br class="m_-1373757795918929984Apple-interchange-newline">
<div>
<div dir="auto" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif">This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests.</span>
<div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
</div>
</div>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif">As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake </span>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto"> <span style="font-family:sans-serif">On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.</span>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">They are:
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill</div>
<div dir="auto"> --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff.</div>
<div dir="auto">---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">3. Lobby both one on one and committee. </div>
<div dir="auto">---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">--generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">5. Give specific line by line recommendations. </div>
<div dir="auto">--It easier to negotiate specifics</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. </div>
<div dir="auto">--don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. </div>
<div dir="auto">--Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. </div>
<div dir="auto"> -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. </div>
<div dir="auto">--We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes. </div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:5px 5px;padding-left:10px;border-left:thin solid #3498db">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Dear All
<div><br></div>
<div>This is back in parliament again </div>
<div><br></div>
<div><a href="https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges/</a></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>regards </div>
<div>Barry </div>
<div><br></div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
kictanet mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>
Twitter:<span class="m_-1373757795918929984Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://twitter.com/kictanet" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/kictanet</a><br>
Facebook:<span class="m_-1373757795918929984Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/</a><br>
Domain Registration sponsored by<span class="m_-1373757795918929984Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.eacdirectory.co.ke</a><br>
<br>
Unsubscribe or change your options at<span class="m_-1373757795918929984Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/thomaskaberi%40gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/thomaskaberi%40gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>
<br>
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br></blockquote>
</div>
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">kictanet mailing list</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Twitter:<span class="m_-1373757795918929984Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://twitter.com/kictanet" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://twitter.com/kictanet</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Facebook:<span class="m_-1373757795918929984Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Domain Registration sponsored by<span class="m_-1373757795918929984Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke/" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.eacdirectory.co.ke</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kaninimutemi%40gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kaninimutemi%40gmail.com</a></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.</span></div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
kictanet mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>
Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/kictanet" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://twitter.com/kictanet</a><br>
Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/</a><br>
Domain Registration sponsored by <a href="http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.eacdirectory.co.ke</a><br>
<br>
Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/arebacollins%40gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/arebacollins%40gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>
<br>
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br></blockquote>
</div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
kictanet mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>
Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/kictanet" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/kictanet</a><br>
Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/</a><br>
Domain Registration sponsored by <a href="http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.eacdirectory.co.ke</a><br>
<br>
Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/thomaskaberi%40gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/thomaskaberi%40gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>
<br>
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>
</blockquote></div>