[kictanet] To save CA from bullies, restore its autonomy and independence

Fri Jan 26 16:52:07 EAT 2018

Tracy,

There could very well be a lot of truth in what Joseph wrote. My response
to him was meant to indicate that we should limit ourselves to specific
allegations directed at specific individuals.

Remember that there are many senior government officials who are active
members here and they would be at a loss on how to defend themselves when
they are mentioned but not really mentioned...

On the flip side, there are the others who are not a part of this community
yet and  as such they have no means through which they can respond.

Once again, for general allegations let us meet at the market and take it
from there.

Regards,

Kevin

On 25 January 2018 at 22:24, Tracy Kadesa Adolwa <kadesatracy at gmail.com>
wrote:

> There's a lot of truth in what Joseph is saying, I don't think that he
> means that unqu
> 
> alified people are appointed all the time, the point is, you may be
> qualified, yes, but you are not appointed for those reasons, you are
> appointed to fulfill some hidden agenda, we can't run away  from this
> reality.
>
> -Regards
>
>
> Tracy Kadesa,
> LL.B ,University of Nairobi.
> Dip KSL
>  legalwalk.wordpress.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Bwana PS,
>>
>> Thank you for stating your part. Feedback is always important.  I will
>> wait for the board's report. Continue with the good work that you are doing.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On 24 January 2018 at 21:34, sammyitemere--- via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you guys unfortunately this far from the truth a conversation will
>>> help clarify the really issues at CA. But because the matter is being
>>> handled by the board l rest my case.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Sent from my Huawei Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] To save CA from bullies, restore its autonomy
>>> and independence
>>> From: Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>> To: sammyitemere at gmail.com
>>> CC: Ali Hussein ,KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>
>>>
>>> Grace
>>>
>>> Thanks for that trip down memory lane.. Lest we forget.. :-)
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>
>>> *Principal*
>>>
>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>
>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
>>>
>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands,
>>>
>>> Nairobi, Kenya.
>>>
>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>>> organizations that I work with.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <
>>> nmutungu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kelvin,
>>>> Please refer to the thread "independent Communications Commission of
>>>> Kenya" that gives diverse views on what independence means (for example,
>>>> functional and financial independence) and how in the end, the
>>>> communications law was amended. This background supports the points that
>>>> Jaindi is raising that interdependence between the Authority and Ministry
>>>> should only be at policy and not financial level.
>>>> Thread starts here https://lists.kictanet.or
>>>> .ke/pipermail/kictanet/2010-November/031757.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Jan 2018 10:48 am, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>> I like your response. The interplay between independence and
>>>>> interdependence. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I fully agree with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have one issue though and this is one of *Corporate Governance*.
>>>>> The monies we are talking about are not small change in the scheme of
>>>>> things. A million here and 25 million there..This adds up.
>>>>>
>>>>> No organization worth its salt should be run 'Kiholela' like that.
>>>>> With all due respect to the Mandarins at the MOICT. They should know
>>>>> better. The right way to do things is to sit with the CA and have a
>>>>> discussion at the end of every year as to which activities they would like
>>>>> CA to fund. These then should be consolidated and ExComm (Executive
>>>>> Committee of the Senior Management Team at CA) presents this to the Board
>>>>> of Directors for ratification and it becomes a budget item and above board.
>>>>>
>>>>> The CA is a critical institution and the goings on there smack of
>>>>> machinations to control the billions that CA has in its budget. It's wrong
>>>>> for MOICT to treat the CA budget as its personal piggy bank/slush fund. The
>>>>> MOICT has a vote. Let it live within its means like we all do. And in case
>>>>> they are unable to the paragraph before this should be a guideline on how
>>>>> to go about it so that no one is exposed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, I also think what the Director General did, if the reporting
>>>>> has any truth to it is wrong. He simply should not have the power to
>>>>> approve extra-judicial budget items. This leaves him vulnerable later to
>>>>> manipulation. Let there be clear procedures on how these things are done.
>>>>> At the Boards that I sit in that in itself is a firing offence. Let us not
>>>>> expose our heads of government agencies to such manipulation. It is akin to
>>>>> abuse of power by MOICT. It simply is not acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Principal*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>
>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are
>>>>> purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>>>>> organizations that I work with.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am eagerly waiting for the report of the audit that is being
>>>>>> currently conducted. This and the responses thereafter will give a clear
>>>>>> indication of the situation at the CA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the letters regarding the request of funds, I do not find any
>>>>>> issue with this. The only condition is that these funds must be accounted
>>>>>> for and even better a report written about the official activities that
>>>>>> were attended to by whom, where and also what returns are to be gained from
>>>>>> the engagements. And further follow up until the intended goals are
>>>>>> achieved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our institutions need to be independent, yes. They are also
>>>>>> inter-dependent. Having the PSs of the ICT or other Ministries does not
>>>>>> have to be bad thing. It in fact can serve as a way to expedite decision
>>>>>> making and enhance cooperation - basically doing away with
>>>>>> inter-institutional bureaucracy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 January 2018 at 13:06, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Listers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Summary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - Surely, somebody must be made to answer for those letters.
>>>>>>>    - This is the sector that gave Kenya global leadership in mobile
>>>>>>>    banking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/To-save-CA-from-bullie
>>>>>>> s-restore-its-autonomy-and-independence/440808-4275382-a055q
>>>>>>> 6/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS. Its sad to see what is happening at CA because we debated
>>>>>>> extensively on this list the process that gave it its autonomy. I am
>>>>>>> confident the team at the helm of the ministry has what it takes to put us
>>>>>>> back on the correct path.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Barrack O. Otieno
>>>>>>> +254721325277 <+254%20721%20325277>
>>>>>>> +254733206359 <+254%20733%20206359>
>>>>>>> Skype: barrack.otieno
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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