[kictanet] Gov't threatens to shut media houses announcing election results - Citizentv.co.ke

Mon Jul 31 19:41:43 EAT 2017

>From my understanding, declaring a winner is the issue. Only IEBC has that
mandate.

On Jul 31, 2017 19:38, "Admin CampusCiti" <info at campusciti.com> wrote:

> That's an interesting play of words... so let me demonstrate..
>
> Candidate X - 2,100, 000
> Candidate Y - 2,500, 000
>
> Is that not announcing the winner? Or is declaring candidate Y the winner
> the offense here?
>
> Surely...why are we dealing in Oxymorons?
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> On 31 Jul 2017, at 6:43 PM, Wamathai (HapaKenya) via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> My understanding on this matter, after an explanation from IEBC, is that
> media houses are free to share results as long as they don't announce a
> winner. That is the sole purview of the IEBC.
>
> The CS and IEBC should clarify ASAP to avoid confusion.
>
>>
>>
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>> On 29 July 2017 at 19:32, <kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 19:22:50 +0300
>>> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>>> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Gov't threatens to shut media houses
>>>         announcing election results - Citizentv.co.ke
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>>> Dorcas
>>>
>>> You are being disingenuous. No media house in this country has ever
>>> purported to carry official results. However media houses can and should
>>> announce the results from different polling stations and constituencies.
>>> Often times the lack of information is what causes unnecessary pressure and
>>> concern. By the way it instructive to note that IEBC will put results on
>>> its portal and I understand that they actually provide APIs?
>>>
>>> I think what you mean to say is that the media should act responsibly?
>>> Any Kenyan with a social media account, access to media can tally make
>>> their own tallies.
>>>
>>> I'm curious why this major concern about media houses announcing
>>> results? What are we missing here?  There is just too much pressure and
>>> focus to curb flow of information. This is a democracy. Let us remember
>>> that. And our constitution is clear and explicit on access to information.
>>> Let us leave KANU tactics where they belong. In the past.
>>>
>>> Unless of course the CS was misquoted or taken out of context?
>>> #JustAsking..
>>>
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>>> > On 29 Jul 2017, at 5:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The media must act very responsibly. On this one, I will support the
>>> CS. Everyone may tally but a media house cannot purport to have the
>>> official record.  Only IEBC has the mandate.
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 29, 2017 4:13 PM, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >> This doesn't sound right. Two steps forwad one back.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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>>> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 19:32:02 +0300
>>> From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni at gmail.com>
>>> To: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
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>>> Ali,
>>>
>>> I think you know in 2008 a certain media attempt to be first caused lots
>>> of
>>> problems.  I can assure I would like the CS to act very tough this time.
>>>
>>> The onus is on the media houses and bloggers to abind responsibly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2017 7:22 PM, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dorcas
>>> >
>>> > You are being disingenuous. No media house in this country has ever
>>> > purported to carry official results. However media houses can and
>>> should
>>> > announce the results from different polling stations and
>>> constituencies.
>>> > Often times the lack of information is what causes unnecessary
>>> pressure and
>>> > concern. By the way it instructive to note that IEBC will put results
>>> on
>>> > its portal and I understand that they actually provide APIs?
>>> >
>>> > I think what you mean to say is that the media should act responsibly?
>>> Any
>>> > Kenyan with a social media account, access to media can tally make
>>> their
>>> > own tallies.
>>> >
>>> > I'm curious why this major concern about media houses announcing
>>> results?
>>> > What are we missing here?  There is just too much pressure and focus to
>>> > curb flow of information. This is a democracy. Let us remember that.
>>> And
>>> > our constitution is clear and explicit on access to information. Let us
>>> > leave KANU tactics where they belong. In the past.
>>> >
>>> > Unless of course the CS was misquoted or taken out of context?
>>> > #JustAsking..
>>> >
>>> > *Ali Hussein*
>>> > *Principal*
>>> > *Hussein & Associates*
>>> > +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113>
>>> >
>>> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>> >
>>> > Skype: abu-jomo
>>> >
>>> > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>> >
>>> > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act
>>> but a
>>> > habit."  ~ Aristotle
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPad
>>> >
>>> > On 29 Jul 2017, at 5:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet <
>>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The media must act very responsibly. On this one, I will support the
>>> CS.
>>> > Everyone may tally but a media house cannot purport to have the
>>> official
>>> > record.  Only IEBC has the mandate.
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 29, 2017 4:13 PM, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <
>>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> This doesn't sound right. Two steps forwad one back.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via kictanet <
>>> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> https://citizentv.co.ke/news/govt-threatens-to-shut-media-ho
>>> >>> uses-announcing-election-results-171742/?utm_source=onesigna
>>> >>> l&utm_medium=notifications&utm_campaign=onesignal_notifications
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