[kictanet] The Information Communication Technology Practitioners Bill, 2016 - Taking effect???

Tue Feb 21 08:19:06 EAT 2017

Barrack

You make a valid point. Thought I'm not yet convinced. One of the key issues here is about Communications. If the relevant agencies can just have the foresight to engage we probably would be discussing these issues with a lot more sobriety.

Ali Hussein
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> On 21 Feb 2017, at 6:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wash,
> 
> Many thanks for your email. I encourage you to have a look at the ISO
> 27,000 Series of Standards. They are very good Standards for
> Information Security(see
> https://www.itgovernance.co.uk/iso27000-family) for a quick
> explanation.
> 
> Actually it is good practice to have public and private organizations
> certified just as we had the ISO 9000 series quality management
> standards that were part of the government appraisal system. The
> Standards are very good for managing streamlining internal information
> system processes including the management of suppliers and other
> people interfacing with the organizations systems, however stakeholder
> engagement and involvement to ensure there is buy in is highly
> recommended. I suspect this is where ICTA has missed the point albeit
> being well intentioned. I think the only organization that is
> certified or is ready to be certified is CA on this series of
> standards. Kenya through Kenya Bureau of Standards is a voting member
> (P) in the International Standards Organization and domesticates most
> of this standards which are then referred to as KENISO Standards. Most
> are very good standards that can be used in the public and private
> sector but require understanding. They are also very cheap (ranging
> from KES 3000). I encourage listers who have time to visit the KEBS
> library and see for themselves what is available. Meanwhile ICTA needs
> to engage the public to explain what they are trying to achieve since
> this is where they slipped. This is however different from the issue
> of practitioners.
> 
> Regards
> 
>> On 2/21/17, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> GB and listers
>> 
>> This simply is incredulous.  We seem to have come to a point where we have a
>> ministry which seems to be speaking a different language to the community
>> and country it purposes to serve.
>> 
>> Ali Hussein
>> Principal
>> Hussein & Associates
>> +254 0713 601113
>> 
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> 
>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
>> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 12:51 AM, Grace B via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> We may need to ask ourselves what public participation means. I remember
>>> we had a long debate here in December 2016 about this regulation of the
>>> profession through the backdoor. Many listers raised valid points about
>>> the issue.
>>> Why then would the Ministry through ICTA proceed to implement the
>>> problematic directive anyway?
>>> 
>>> At a policy level there is even more confusion. The government states that
>>> it wants to get more youth to enjoy the benefits of government tendering.
>>> The same government acknowledges that the youth are significant players in
>>> ICT services/goods. Then the same government goes ahead to give a policy
>>> that will lead to more hurdles for ordinary youth and their eventual
>>> exclusion in tendering for ICT services. What is!
>>> 
>>> At the risk of repetition, here is a link to Kwame Owino's article on
>>> policy corruption. He argues that some policies are designed to favour
>>> certain elite people and this ICTA directive (as read with our discussions
>>> in December 2016) seems to be just that.  One can even argue that this
>>> policy excludes ICT procurement from the AGPO policy and the ease of doing
>>> business in Kenya aspirations.
>>> 
>>> I will not even get into the issue of basis. How does a government entity
>>> wake up and decide to start a licencing regime? Does anyone understand
>>> what legal provision they are anchoring this on? I hope that ICTA or the
>>> Ministry can favour us with an explanation.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2017-02-20 22:42 GMT+03:00 Anderson Levi via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
>>>> If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not
>>>> be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is
>>>> obscuring it.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet"
>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Wash,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a different issue.  It has to do with standardization of IT
>>>>> processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of
>>>>> Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and
>>>>> Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be
>>>>> achieved for the past year.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a
>>>>>> short
>>>>>> break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
>>>>>> Nairobi,KE
>>>>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
>>>>>> "Oh, the cruft."
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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