[kictanet] The Information Communication Technology Practitioners Bill, 2016 - Taking effect???

Tue Feb 21 09:02:08 EAT 2017

I agree Ali, i am speaking from a point of knowledge even though i cannot
speak for the entities involved. I do hope a representative from the
concerned organizations can speak up and clarify.

Regards
On Feb 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:

> Barrack
>
> You make a valid point. Thought I'm not yet convinced. One of the key
> issues here is about Communications. If the relevant agencies can just have
> the foresight to engage we probably would be discussing these issues with a
> lot more sobriety.
>
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> On 21 Feb 2017, at 6:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Wash,
>
> Many thanks for your email. I encourage you to have a look at the ISO
> 27,000 Series of Standards. They are very good Standards for
> Information Security(see
> https://www.itgovernance.co.uk/iso27000-family) for a quick
> explanation.
>
> Actually it is good practice to have public and private organizations
> certified just as we had the ISO 9000 series quality management
> standards that were part of the government appraisal system. The
> Standards are very good for managing streamlining internal information
> system processes including the management of suppliers and other
> people interfacing with the organizations systems, however stakeholder
> engagement and involvement to ensure there is buy in is highly
> recommended. I suspect this is where ICTA has missed the point albeit
> being well intentioned. I think the only organization that is
> certified or is ready to be certified is CA on this series of
> standards. Kenya through Kenya Bureau of Standards is a voting member
> (P) in the International Standards Organization and domesticates most
> of this standards which are then referred to as KENISO Standards. Most
> are very good standards that can be used in the public and private
> sector but require understanding. They are also very cheap (ranging
> from KES 3000). I encourage listers who have time to visit the KEBS
> library and see for themselves what is available. Meanwhile ICTA needs
> to engage the public to explain what they are trying to achieve since
> this is where they slipped. This is however different from the issue
> of practitioners.
>
> Regards
>
> On 2/21/17, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> wrote:
>
> GB and listers
>
>
> This simply is incredulous.  We seem to have come to a point where we have
> a
>
> ministry which seems to be speaking a different language to the community
>
> and country it purposes to serve.
>
>
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> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
>
> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>
> On 21 Feb 2017, at 12:51 AM, Grace B via kictanet
>
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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>
> Listers,
>
> We may need to ask ourselves what public participation means. I remember
>
> we had a long debate here in December 2016 about this regulation of the
>
> profession through the backdoor. Many listers raised valid points about
>
> the issue.
>
> Why then would the Ministry through ICTA proceed to implement the
>
> problematic directive anyway?
>
>
> At a policy level there is even more confusion. The government states that
>
> it wants to get more youth to enjoy the benefits of government tendering.
>
> The same government acknowledges that the youth are significant players in
>
> ICT services/goods. Then the same government goes ahead to give a policy
>
> that will lead to more hurdles for ordinary youth and their eventual
>
> exclusion in tendering for ICT services. What is!
>
>
> At the risk of repetition, here is a link to Kwame Owino's article on
>
> policy corruption. He argues that some policies are designed to favour
>
> certain elite people and this ICTA directive (as read with our discussions
>
> in December 2016) seems to be just that.  One can even argue that this
>
> policy excludes ICT procurement from the AGPO policy and the ease of doing
>
> business in Kenya aspirations.
>
>
> I will not even get into the issue of basis. How does a government entity
>
> wake up and decide to start a licencing regime? Does anyone understand
>
> what legal provision they are anchoring this on? I hope that ICTA or the
>
> Ministry can favour us with an explanation.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 2017-02-20 22:42 GMT+03:00 Anderson Levi via kictanet
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> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
>
> If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not
>
> be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is
>
> obscuring it.
>
>
> On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet"
>
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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> Hi Wash,
>
>
> This is a different issue.  It has to do with standardization of IT
>
> processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of
>
> Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and
>
> Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be
>
> achieved for the past year.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
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> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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> Hello Listers,
>
>
> Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a
>
> short
>
> break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
>
>
> Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
>
>
> It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
>
>
>
>
>
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