[kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands...

Mon Sep 12 10:48:22 EAT 2016

I have always had this question lingering in my mind.

Algorithms are not by nature designed to delete content (I may be wrong
though). Content that gets deleted is normally mostly flagged and reported.

Secondly, algorithms are mostly very good with with textual content. To
detect nudity (and in that case not verify it and straight away delete it)
using an Algorithm requires Augmented Reality that is beyond what computers
are allowed to Artificially process (when it comes to deleting content). I
know even textual content can get flagged by an algorithm - but an
algorithm does not delete a textual content item leave alone an image.

Any further insights on these specific questions?

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Actually, and this is what we will discuss-the majority of content take
> downs rely on human review, not algorithms. We proactively moderate for
> child exploitation content using a powerful tool developed by Microsoft,
> but virtually everything else must be flagged by the community, and then
> reviewed by a human. If you imagine that across the billions of pieces of
> content posted daily by 1.7 billion users around the world, then layer in
> context, cultural norms, etc., it's mind boggling.
>
> Look forward to getting into this in detail with this group soon.
>
> Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa
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> On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> To change the title, i would refer to this as the tricky power of the
> algorithm. +1 Ngigi.
>
> Regards
>
> On 9/11/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> wrote:
>
> You have absolutely captured the challenge and the responsibility. Heads up
>
> that we are planning to host a conversation in Nairobi, similar to one we
>
> hosted in Johannesburg a couple of months ago, about online speech, free
>
> expression, censorship, our community standards/reporting policies and what
>
> goes into these incredibly complicated decisions. In Jo'burg, we also had
>
> Google/YouTube-would be great to replicate that.
>
>
> We find that the community benefits from learning from the people at
>
> Facebook/Google making these decisions (and seeing just how much thought
>
> goes into them!), and we learn from the community in ways that help us make
>
> better decisions.
>
>
> Stay tuned for an invitation in the next month or so!
>
>
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> On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet
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> wrote:
>
>
> Ali,
>
>
> From a technical PoV, I empathize with FB, Google et.al. You have millions
>
> or photos, videos being uploaded by the minute and based on their policy,
>
> you need to ensure that these digital content meets that criteria.
>
>
> No way human beings can keep up with that, you've got to use algorithms.
> And
>
> considering the no of false positives we get, which is very few, they're
>
> quite good then.
>
>
> Then you have the problem of 'Context'.... This is one of the hardest areas
>
> in computing to figure out. And inevitably, that's what leads the algorithm
>
> to mark that photo as inappropriate because of nudity, since the algorithm
>
> didn't have the historical context of that photo.
>
>
> Fast forward to attending the Turkana festival, where a lot of the local
>
> women will be topless‎. Upload those pictures on FB, FB most likely refuses
>
> to accept them because of the nudity, you make noise as we unfortunately
>
> expect FB to start understanding culture!
>
>
> Such corner cases in Computing are a nightmare to solve, but fortunately,
>
> solving those nightmares is what leads to‎ Turing Awards!
>
>
> Waithaka Ngigi
>
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> From: Ali Hussein via kictanet
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> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:42 AM
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> To: Ngigi Waithaka
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> Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
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> Cc: Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands...
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>
>
> Listers
>
>
> The fact that Facebook finally reversed its decisions is commendable. And
>
> should be applauded. However, as Tony indicated it raises more questions
>
> than answers.
>
>
> 1. Should the most important and powerful Super Editor the world has ever
>
> seen be an algorithm or be influenced by Machine Learning?
>
>
> 2. If so at what point should human intervention be built in?
>
>
> 3. Even with human intervention we see that both Google and Facebook
>
> (rightly or wrongly) have been accused of certain biases. How do companies
>
> with such immense powers to influence our daily lives tamper their powers
> to
>
> ensure 'fair coverage'?
>
>
> I suspect both Facebook and Google are still coming to terms with these
>
> issues and that people like the Norwegian Editor and you and I must play
> our
>
> part to remind them to tamper their immense powers for the betterment of
>
> society.
>
>
> Ali Hussein
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> On 10 Sep 2016, at 1:03 PM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet
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> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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> wrote:
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>
> Definitely a lesson for all content regulators.
>
>
> "In his open letter, Hansen points out that Facebook’s decision to delete
>
> the photograph reveals a troubling inability to “distinguish between child
>
> pornography and famous war photographs”, as well as an unwillingness to
>
> “allow[ing] space for good judgement”.
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> Mildred.
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> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet
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> wrote:
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> 1.
>
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> 2.
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> Nanjira.
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