[kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands...

Mon Sep 12 10:57:03 EAT 2016

We don't use algorithms to detect adult nudity (we rely on reporting-and, just FYI, there is under-reporting of violating content across the continent, so we recognize there is much education work to be done), but we, along with many peer companies, use PhotoDNA to proactively detect, remove and report child exploitation imagery. See below for more on PhotoDNA.

https://news.microsoft.com/features/microsofts-photodna-protecting-children-and-businesses-in-the-cloud/#sm.000132gzuxyz3frut3f1lfjjbuo89

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On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer at gmail.com<mailto:ultimateprogramer at gmail.com>> wrote:

I have always had this question lingering in my mind.

Algorithms are not by nature designed to delete content (I may be wrong though). Content that gets deleted is normally mostly flagged and reported.

Secondly, algorithms are mostly very good with with textual content. To detect nudity (and in that case not verify it and straight away delete it) using an Algorithm requires Augmented Reality that is beyond what computers are allowed to Artificially process (when it comes to deleting content). I know even textual content can get flagged by an algorithm - but an algorithm does not delete a textual content item leave alone an image.

Any further insights on these specific questions?

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
Actually, and this is what we will discuss-the majority of content take downs rely on human review, not algorithms. We proactively moderate for child exploitation content using a powerful tool developed by Microsoft, but virtually everything else must be flagged by the community, and then reviewed by a human. If you imagine that across the billions of pieces of content posted daily by 1.7 billion users around the world, then layer in context, cultural norms, etc., it's mind boggling.

Look forward to getting into this in detail with this group soon.

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On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack at gmail.com>> wrote:

To change the title, i would refer to this as the tricky power of the
algorithm. +1 Ngigi.

Regards

On 9/11/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
You have absolutely captured the challenge and the responsibility. Heads up
that we are planning to host a conversation in Nairobi, similar to one we
hosted in Johannesburg a couple of months ago, about online speech, free
expression, censorship, our community standards/reporting policies and what
goes into these incredibly complicated decisions. In Jo'burg, we also had
Google/YouTube-would be great to replicate that.

We find that the community benefits from learning from the people at
Facebook/Google making these decisions (and seeing just how much thought
goes into them!), and we learn from the community in ways that help us make
better decisions.

Stay tuned for an invitation in the next month or so!

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On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet
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Ali,

From a technical PoV, I empathize with FB, Google et.al<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__et.al&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=2z_kMMIMlmcDPfp7X7iOd5zlsp_xCbjveKR8MqmAA3c&s=BnCe_s4Fmb7MRgSw24KPQ0UmVCEPoPO2PjsxkVXTEaA&e=>. You have millions
or photos, videos being uploaded by the minute and based on their policy,
you need to ensure that these digital content meets that criteria.

No way human beings can keep up with that, you've got to use algorithms. And
considering the no of false positives we get, which is very few, they're
quite good then.

Then you have the problem of 'Context'.... This is one of the hardest areas
in computing to figure out. And inevitably, that's what leads the algorithm
to mark that photo as inappropriate because of nudity, since the algorithm
didn't have the historical context of that photo.

Fast forward to attending the Turkana festival, where a lot of the local
women will be topless‎. Upload those pictures on FB, FB most likely refuses
to accept them because of the nudity, you make noise as we unfortunately
expect FB to start understanding culture!

Such corner cases in Computing are a nightmare to solve, but fortunately,
solving those nightmares is what leads to‎ Turing Awards!

Waithaka Ngigi

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From: Ali Hussein via kictanet
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:42 AM
To: Ngigi Waithaka
Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands...

Listers

The fact that Facebook finally reversed its decisions is commendable. And
should be applauded. However, as Tony indicated it raises more questions
than answers.

1. Should the most important and powerful Super Editor the world has ever
seen be an algorithm or be influenced by Machine Learning?

2. If so at what point should human intervention be built in?

3. Even with human intervention we see that both Google and Facebook
(rightly or wrongly) have been accused of certain biases. How do companies
with such immense powers to influence our daily lives tamper their powers to
ensure 'fair coverage'?

I suspect both Facebook and Google are still coming to terms with these
issues and that people like the Norwegian Editor and you and I must play our
part to remind them to tamper their immense powers for the betterment of
society.

Ali Hussein
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On 10 Sep 2016, at 1:03 PM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet
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Definitely a lesson for all content regulators.

"In his open letter, Hansen points out that Facebook’s decision to delete
the photograph reveals a troubling inability to “distinguish between child
pornography and famous war photographs”, as well as an unwillingness to
“allow[ing] space for good judgement”.

Mildred.

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