[kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No?

Ali Hussein ali at hussein.me.ke
Thu May 26 05:35:59 EAT 2016 

I'm with Ebele on this.

There is no regulatory requirement for Facebook, Google, WhatsApp etc to reveal usage on their platforms. When they do it its out of goodwill and to some extent also sort of bragging rights. Organizations like Comscore and Nielsen often do research on usage.   I'm yet to see numbers on Whatsapp. I do agree however that these stats would help marketers to get to understand their consumers on whatsapp.

As for the Telcos losing business...Well, the old make way for the new. They do however make up what they lose in voice and SMS with data. It would be interesting to know though how compensatory the data revenue is in comparison to loss of voice and SMS revenue.

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> On 25 May 2016, at 11:21 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> 
> It's necessary to have a mobile subscription and to pay the mobile operator to use online services in Kenya, abi? So what do you mean when you say that operators are losing customers?
> 
> Consumers pay operators for data, no be so? And then they use the data that they pay for to access all kinds of services, including yum.co.ke, ongair, okhi, Ushahidi, and yes, WhatsApp. Should the consumer pay twice? Should the operator get to decide what the consumer does with the data they purchased? If online services did not exist, what would drive data consumption?
> 
> By this logic, mobile operators shouldn't even exist, as they have surely put fixed line telephony out of business. And what about the telegraph companies?! Or the post? Should regulation ensure that those remain the only mode of communication?
> 
> W/r to sharing data on number of users-per previously-Facebook gladly shares the number of users in Kenya! With press releases and great fanfare. WhatsApp is a much newer entity; they are not there yet, in any country. When they are, I'll be glad to let you know!
> 
> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
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> 
> On May 25, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Baiju Shah <baiju at telemedia.co.ke> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ebele,
>> 
>> In my view of being transparent and to demonstrate that you have a recognition of the Kenyan customers using your services will be interesting for the group. Telco operators like Orange, Equitel, Airtel and Safaricom do have a good idea of the losses that face when a user chooses to use whatsapp for their voice and messaging needs. Therefore, consider sharing some stats with the group, maybe the Communications Authority can make is mandatory to report the usage of the different services may be or the operators can submit the required figures of their loss to what's app.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Baiju
>> 
>> On 25 May 2016, at 22:47, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I think there is a bit of confusion about what regulatory requirements apply to WhatsApp or to Facebook on this thread, as well as a misunderstanding of my reply. WA has not released numbers for any countries, and there is no regulatory requirement that WhatsApp do so. Facebook does release Kenya numbers, voluntarily. It's not clear to me what "shame" has to do with this conversation, but I'm always happy to be educated!
>>> 
>>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315
>>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
>>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 25, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> All mobile companies in Kenya will be able to tell you how much biz they are loosing to .what's app in terms of subscribers and further more the loss of sms traffic will provide a good yardstick.
>>>> 
>>>> Else, get the CA to ask FB for the numbers that is easy and they Will provide the numbers if they want to comply with regulatory requirements.
>>>> 
>>>> FB - please provide the numbers it is nothing to be ashamed about.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Baiju
>>>> 
>>>> On 25 May 2016 21:45, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> Those are very possible numbers considering even my grandma is on our family whatsapp group..:-)
>>>> 
>>>> Ali Hussein
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>>>> On 25 May 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The CEO of Ongair estimated today at #WhatsNextMedia that there more than 8m people on Whatsapp
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sidney
>>>>> 
>>>>> Touched not typed from my Infinix Z3
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 25 May 2016 7:14 pm, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>> Unfortunately, we don't have public by country numbers-apologies!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>>>>>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315
>>>>>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
>>>>>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 25, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Apologies for the delay-far too much travel.
>>>>>>> I’m not sure if we have public figures for WhatsApp by country-I’ll inquire internally and revert.
>>>>>>> Best, Ebele
>>>>>>> <6F096681-9A34-452C-A5CD-1D0E4C64A463[6].png>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
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>>>>>>> From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 16, 2016 at 4:59 PM
>>>>>>> To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
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>>>>>>> Is there any study, research or commentary that indicates the No of Whatsapp users in Kenya (i.e registered to a .KE no)
>>>>>>> 
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