[kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No?

Thu May 26 06:53:32 EAT 2016

I use far more data on Safaricom than phone and SMS (and I don't (yet)
use WhatsApp! - but with end-to-end encryption now enabled, I may
start ;) )

...but there is a scenario:

If the user has Zuku or Faimba, then the smartphone will be on WiFi
for data usage, including WhatsApp - therefore the telco has 'lost'
the customer for those times the user is at 'home' - or anywhere else
there is a WiFi connection.

All 'new' technology is disruptive to the 'old guard', as Ebele pointed out.

We must always embrace newer technology - else be left behind in the
'backwaters' - as so often in the past!

Cheers,
Tony

On 26/05/2016, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> I'm with Ebele on this.
>
> There is no regulatory requirement for Facebook, Google, WhatsApp etc to
> reveal usage on their platforms. When they do it its out of goodwill and to
> some extent also sort of bragging rights. Organizations like Comscore and
> Nielsen often do research on usage.   I'm yet to see numbers on Whatsapp. I
> do agree however that these stats would help marketers to get to understand
> their consumers on whatsapp.
>
> As for the Telcos losing business...Well, the old make way for the new. They
> do however make up what they lose in voice and SMS with data. It would be
> interesting to know though how compensatory the data revenue is in
> comparison to loss of voice and SMS revenue.
>
> Ali Hussein
> Principal
> Hussein & Associates
> +254 0713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
> Skype: abu-jomo
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
>
> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what
> no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 25 May 2016, at 11:21 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> It's necessary to have a mobile subscription and to pay the mobile
>> operator to use online services in Kenya, abi? So what do you mean when
>> you say that operators are losing customers?
>>
>> Consumers pay operators for data, no be so? And then they use the data
>> that they pay for to access all kinds of services, including yum.co.ke,
>> ongair, okhi, Ushahidi, and yes, WhatsApp. Should the consumer pay twice?
>> Should the operator get to decide what the consumer does with the data
>> they purchased? If online services did not exist, what would drive data
>> consumption?
>>
>> By this logic, mobile operators shouldn't even exist, as they have surely
>> put fixed line telephony out of business. And what about the telegraph
>> companies?! Or the post? Should regulation ensure that those remain the
>> only mode of communication?
>>
>> W/r to sharing data on number of users-per previously-Facebook gladly
>> shares the number of users in Kenya! With press releases and great
>> fanfare. WhatsApp is a much newer entity; they are not there yet, in any
>> country. When they are, I'll be glad to let you know!
>>
>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315
>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 25, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Baiju Shah <baiju at telemedia.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ebele,
>>>
>>> In my view of being transparent and to demonstrate that you have a
>>> recognition of the Kenyan customers using your services will be
>>> interesting for the group. Telco operators like Orange, Equitel, Airtel
>>> and Safaricom do have a good idea of the losses that face when a user
>>> chooses to use whatsapp for their voice and messaging needs. Therefore,
>>> consider sharing some stats with the group, maybe the Communications
>>> Authority can make is mandatory to report the usage of the different
>>> services may be or the operators can submit the required figures of their
>>> loss to what's app.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Baiju
>>>
>>> On 25 May 2016, at 22:47, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think there is a bit of confusion about what regulatory requirements
>>>> apply to WhatsApp or to Facebook on this thread, as well as a
>>>> misunderstanding of my reply. WA has not released numbers for any
>>>> countries, and there is no regulatory requirement that WhatsApp do so.
>>>> Facebook does release Kenya numbers, voluntarily. It's not clear to me
>>>> what "shame" has to do with this conversation, but I'm always happy to
>>>> be educated!
>>>>
>>>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>>>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315
>>>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
>>>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 25, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Baiju Shah via kictanet
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> All mobile companies in Kenya will be able to tell you how much biz
>>>>> they are loosing to .what's app in terms of subscribers and further
>>>>> more the loss of sms traffic will provide a good yardstick.
>>>>>
>>>>> Else, get the CA to ask FB for the numbers that is easy and they Will
>>>>> provide the numbers if they want to comply with regulatory
>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> FB - please provide the numbers it is nothing to be ashamed about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Baiju
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 May 2016 21:45, "Ali Hussein via kictanet"
>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> Those are very possible numbers considering even my grandma is on our
>>>>> family whatsapp group..:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>> Principal
>>>>> Hussein & Associates
>>>>> +254 0713 601113
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 May 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet
>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The CEO of Ongair estimated today at #WhatsNextMedia that there more
>>>>>> than 8m people on Whatsapp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sidney
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Touched not typed from my Infinix Z3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 May 2016 7:14 pm, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet"
>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, we don't have public by country numbers-apologies!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>>>>>>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315
>>>>>>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
>>>>>>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 25, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet
>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apologies for the delay-far too much travel.
>>>>>>>> I’m not sure if we have public figures for WhatsApp by country-I’ll
>>>>>>>> inquire internally and revert.
>>>>>>>> Best, Ebele
>>>>>>>> <6F096681-9A34-452C-A5CD-1D0E4C64A463[6].png>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2 Stephen St | London | W1T 1AN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: kictanet
>>>>>>>> <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf
>>>>>>>> of Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 16, 2016 at 4:59 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there any study, research or commentary that indicates the No of
>>>>>>>> Whatsapp users in Kenya (i.e registered to a .KE no)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>>>>>>> Alliance Technologies
>>>>>>>> www.at.co.ke
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