<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I'm with Ebele on this.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">There is no regulatory requirement for Facebook, Google, WhatsApp etc to reveal usage on their platforms. When they do it its out of goodwill and to some extent also sort of bragging rights. Organizations like Comscore and Nielsen often do research on usage. I'm yet to see numbers on Whatsapp. I do agree however that these stats would help marketers to get to understand their consumers on whatsapp.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">As for the Telcos losing business...Well, the old make way for the new. They do however make up what they lose in voice and SMS with data. It would be interesting to know though how compensatory the data revenue is in comparison to loss of voice and SMS revenue.<br><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 25 May 2016, at 11:21 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Consumers pay operators for data, no be so? And then they use the data that they pay for to access all kinds of services, including yum.co.ke, ongair, okhi, Ushahidi, and yes, WhatsApp. Should the consumer pay twice? Should the operator get to decide what
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<div>W/r to sharing data on number of users-per previously-Facebook gladly shares the number of users in Kenya! With press releases and great fanfare. WhatsApp is a much newer entity; they are not there yet, in any country. When they are, I'll be glad to let
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face when a user chooses to use whatsapp for their voice and messaging needs. Therefore, consider sharing some stats with the group, maybe the Communications Authority can make is mandatory to report the usage of the different services may be or the operators
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">I think there is a bit of confusion about what regulatory requirements apply to WhatsApp or to Facebook on this thread, as well as a misunderstanding of my reply. WA has not released numbers for any countries, and there is no regulatory
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<p dir="ltr">All mobile companies in Kenya will be able to tell you how much biz they are loosing to .what's app in terms of subscribers and further more the loss of sms traffic will provide a good yardstick.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Else, get the CA to ask FB for the numbers that is easy and they Will provide the numbers if they want to comply with regulatory requirements.</p>
<p dir="ltr">FB - please provide the numbers it is nothing to be ashamed about.</p>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, May 16, 2016 at 4:59 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Ebele Okobi <<a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com" target="_blank">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No?<br>
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