[kictanet] WhatsApp statistics

Mose Karanja mosekaranja at gmail.com
Wed May 25 23:14:14 EAT 2016 

I think it's totally in order going forward to start getting official stats
on OTTs considering their increased role in Kenya's ecosystem.

I however don't agree that Telcos are making losses due to the OTTs like
WhatsApp. Nowhere is it required that because you use telco X you use their
SMSs now and in the future. Everyday they have to offer value to you as a
customer to convince you keep using their services.
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   1. Re: Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No? (Baiju Shah)


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From: Baiju Shah <baiju at telemedia.co.ke>
To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 23:02:51 +0300
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No?
Hi Ebele,

In my view of being transparent and to demonstrate that you have a
recognition of the Kenyan customers using your services will be interesting
for the group. Telco operators like Orange, Equitel, Airtel and Safaricom
do have a good idea of the losses that face when a user chooses to use
whatsapp for their voice and messaging needs. Therefore, consider sharing
some stats with the group, maybe the Communications Authority can make is
mandatory to report the usage of the different services may be or the
operators can submit the required figures of their loss to what's app.

Thanks,

Best Regards,
Baiju

On 25 May 2016, at 22:47, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:


I think there is a bit of confusion about what regulatory requirements
apply to WhatsApp or to Facebook on this thread, as well as a
misunderstanding of my reply. WA has not released numbers for any
countries, and there is no regulatory requirement that WhatsApp do so.
Facebook does release Kenya numbers, voluntarily. It's not clear to me what
"shame" has to do with this conversation, but I'm always happy to be
educated!

Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa

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On May 25, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Baiju Shah via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Hi All,

All mobile companies in Kenya will be able to tell you how much biz they
are loosing to .what's app in terms of subscribers and further more the
loss of sms traffic will provide a good yardstick.

Else, get the CA to ask FB for the numbers that is easy and they Will
provide the numbers if they want to comply with regulatory requirements.

FB - please provide the numbers it is nothing to be ashamed about.

Thanks,

Best Regards,
Baiju
On 25 May 2016 21:45, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Those are very possible numbers considering even my grandma is on our
family whatsapp group..:-)

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On 25 May 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

The CEO of Ongair estimated today at #WhatsNextMedia that there more than
8m people on Whatsapp

Sidney

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On 25 May 2016 7:14 pm, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Unfortunately, we don't have public by country numbers-apologies!
>
> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>
> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 <+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315>
>
> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
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> ebeleokobi at fb.com
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> [image: 6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B]
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> On May 25, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Apologies for the delay-far too much travel.
> I’m not sure if we have public figures for WhatsApp by country-I’ll
> inquire internally and revert.
> Best, Ebele
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> <6F096681-9A34-452C-A5CD-1D0E4C64A463[6].png>
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> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
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> on behalf of Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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> To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com>
> Cc: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
> Subject: [kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No?
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> Is there any study, research or commentary that indicates the No of
> Whatsapp users in Kenya (i.e registered to a .KE no)
>
> Waithaka Ngigi
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