<p dir="ltr">I think it's totally in order going forward to start getting official stats on OTTs considering their increased role in Kenya's ecosystem. </p>
<p dir="ltr">I however don't agree that Telcos are making losses due to the OTTs like WhatsApp. Nowhere is it required that because you use telco X you use their SMSs now and in the future. Everyday they have to offer value to you as a customer to convince you keep using their services. <br>
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<div>I think there is a bit of confusion about what regulatory requirements apply to WhatsApp or to Facebook on this thread, as well as a misunderstanding of my reply. WA has not released numbers for any countries, and there is no regulatory
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<p dir="ltr">All mobile companies in Kenya will be able to tell you how much biz they are loosing to .what's app in terms of subscribers and further more the loss of sms traffic will provide a good yardstick.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Else, get the CA to ask FB for the numbers that is easy and they Will provide the numbers if they want to comply with regulatory requirements.</p>
<p dir="ltr">FB - please provide the numbers it is nothing to be ashamed about.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks,</p>
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<div>Those are very possible numbers considering even my grandma is on our family whatsapp group..:-)<br>
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<div style="max-width:100%">Is there any study, research or commentary that indicates the No of Whatsapp users in Kenya (i.e registered to a .KE no)</div>
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