[kictanet] Are the American Internet Giants Politically Agnostic?

Mon Jun 13 05:55:02 EAT 2016

Exacly.. Waudo. I think also that comment adds to the original gist of the
conversation as started by Ali :D

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 5:38 AM, waudo siganga via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> The best systems are the simple ones - complicated ones provide their own
> loopholes not least because they are marketed as something hard for people
> to understand.
>
> W.
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016, at 03:11 AM, Lawrence Njogu via kictanet wrote:
>
> I agree with you Ebele on this one....100%. Been there done that &
> #itscomplicated
>
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> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:12:51 +0000
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Are the American Internet Giants Politically
> Agnostic?
> From: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> CC: ebeleokobi at fb.com; kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> To: lnjogu at hotmail.com
>
> Let’s take this offline, if you’d like to learn more about the US system?
>
> But just to avoid confusion-I’ve voted in US elections since 1992, and
> I’ve volunteered for three different campaigns over the years. It’s quite
> complicated even for those of us who vote in the US to understand, much
> less trying to follow it from afar! Your understanding of the Democratic
> primary system is, unfortunately, completely incorrect, both generally and
> in this specific case. Have a look at the links I posted previously for
> information about how this system works. Also, for context-Clinton has won
> over 3 million more votes than Sanders in the primaries thus far. So, the
> will of the people, as measured by the popular vote, is overwhelmingly for
> Clinton.
>
> Also, even though Sanders is vowing to stay in until July (although he’s
> amended this in some reports to Tuesday, after the DC primary), we already
> know who the nominee is, because Clinton already has 800 more delegates
> than Sanders, and she also has 400 more than she needs to win. There is no
> way for Sanders to win, unless Clinton drops out of the race.  It is, as
> they say, all over but the shouting, and fortunately, a savage social media
> game does not necessarily lead to electoral victory. Which brings me back
> to the original point of this thread. . .
>
> See here for the vote breakdown-
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-takes-decisive-lead-over-bernie-sanders-in-delegate-count-popular-vote-1465389182
>
>
> From: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer at gmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 7:51 PM
> To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Are the American Internet Giants Politically
> Agnostic?
>
> OK basically I think this not a political discussion. But the way I
> understand this is that the sad thing about American primaries is that I
> guess the Delegates and Super Delegates have the power to over-turn the
> will of the voters in the July convention.
>
> I would believe Hillary goes through because of the current pledges made
> by the delegates. And Sanders basically does not sing their song. So you
> are right, Clinton is winning, but we still have to July to know for sure.
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com> wrote:
>
> Nope.
> This article is from June 7, before the CA and NJ primaries were tallied.
> Those happened last week, and Clinton won both, by a lot. The only primary
> left is DC-which will go OVERWHELMINGLY for Clinton, and in any case, they
> don't matter, unfortunately, given population and delegate count.
>
>
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> On Jun 12, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <
> ultimateprogramer at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Thanks Ebele,
>
> Not according to this article from the Guardian recently:
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> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Google is not tampering with search to favor Secretary Clinton.
> Facebook was not tampering with trending topics to disadvantage
> politically conservative points of view-
> http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2016/05/response-to-chairman-john-thunes-letter-on-trending-topics/
>
> The US electoral system deserves its own thread, with people who are
> experts, but the description below re delegates is incorrect and moreover,
> this has nothing to do with tech companies. In addition, Secretary Clinton
> will win the Democratic nomination with or without the superdelegates-she
> won the popular vote as well.
>
> For context re super delegates in US Democratic primary, see here-*FastMail
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> For Secretary Clinton's lead over Senator Sanders and how it happened, see
> here-essentially, she won every demographic except for white, rural voters,
> which tells you a great deal about America's version of "tribal"
> conflict-race.
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> It's absolutely certain that money and power have a distorting impact on
> politics and governance, but incorrect information detracts from useful
> debate, and the implication that tech companies are fraudulently
> manipulating elections has no basis in fact.
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> On Jun 12, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <
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> Google isn't tampering with Hillary's results, and here is the evidence *FastMail
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> On Sun, 12 Jun 2016, 10:23 Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet, <
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> I think its a broad issue that is engrained in the power structure
> corporates have in the political landscape in the US. If we been following
> the recent campaign trail (Hillary vs. Sanders) you would notice that
> Delegates and Super Delegates get to gravitate to Hillary in the primaries
> - which is the power establishment tends to support Hillary. Word is that
> the power establishment is strongly tied to corporate interests. The
> funding sources for political campaigns for these 2 candidates is something
> worth noting with what you have already raised, Ali. (with Hillary
> primarily being funded by corporations and Sanders from organizations such
> as human rights movements). We all understand how powerful tech
> corporations in the US are not only in the US but also in the global
> landscape.
>
> Even Trump himself has boasted about the fact that he does not get
> sponsored by the elitist establishments (the corporations in the US), if
> Sanders is not being primarily funded by these corporate entities who else
> is Trump really talking about?
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
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>
> Listers
>
> First there there was the hullabaloo about Facebook 'doctoring' its
> trending feeds and now there is the thingi about Google allegedly tweaking
> its algorithms to favor Hillary Clinton. If you are like me and have
> watched Season 4 of House of Cards you can start to begin appreciating how
> technology companies have come to loom large in political contests.
>
> As we in Kenya enter electioneering period (no matter that the elections
> are over a year away!) this issue will come to the fore too in our local
> politics.
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*Ahmed Maawy*
Executive Director - SwahiliBox / M-Power (CBO)
Curator - Global Shapers Mombasa Hub
Ambassador - Open Knowledge
Director - Startup Grind Mombasa
Software Developer - AJ+ / EveryLayer
(KE) +254 714 960 627
Skype: ultimateprogramer

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