[kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
chemukoechk at gmail.com
Fri Jul 8 13:12:06 EAT 2016
Once we kill this bill, the next course of action should be to make a
petition querying the capacity of the above entity to to represent the ICT
industry in Kenya based on its membership and other issues like their
capacity to give informed thought in regards to the industry, they have
clearly shown failure so far.
The industry must only be represented by those who have the most true
interests of the industry at heart not just another government body.
Kind regards,
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
Cell : +254 718181644/771632344
Skype : Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
Kind regards,
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Paul Korir via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Listers,
>
> Article 4 clause (1) (e) of the proposed law states the Council of the
> proposed Institute shall consist of...
>
> "five persons of good professional standing nominated by the *Information
> Communication Technology Association of Kenya*" [emphasis added]
>
> which elevates ICTAK (a members' society) to the level of a statutory
> body! Clearly ICTAK is trying to entrench themselves into a legal body.
>
> Not good.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Paul K. Korir <http://www.paulkorir.com>
> +353 86 224 19 66
> *Ordnung muß sein*
>
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>> 1. Re: Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION
>> TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
>> (Ephraim Percy Kenyanito)
>> 2. Re: Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION
>> TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA (waudo siganga)
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>> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:30:22 +0300
>> From: Ephraim Percy Kenyanito <ephraim at accessnow.org>
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>> COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
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>> On 8 July 2016 at 12:25, Liz Orembo via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Who are the members of ICTAK? Has anyone managed to check on their
>> website?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Tony White via kictanet <
>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Another piece of absolute nonsense. Our ICT sector is too dynamic at
>> >> present, compared with the other professions cited, which are settled
>> >> and well established ...and are slow to change. The ICTAK is in
>> >> favour of this because it promotes *their* agenda, which is not
>> >> aligned with the profession as a whole - indeed, I suspect they are
>> >> behind the bill's creation.
>> >>
>> >> Let's hope that CS Mucheru - who has stated that the bill is not
>> >> ministry or government policy - will push for the rejection of the
>> >> bill when it comes to a vote in the national assembly.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Tony
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 08/07/2016, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
>> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> >> > @Waudo,
>> >> >
>> >> > The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been
>> >> > memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the
>> bill
>> >> in
>> >> > totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National Assembly
>> >> have
>> >> > also been contacted to fight for the interests of the community, and
>> >> moreso
>> >> > the youth. All this effort culminated with the CS of ICT issuing the
>> >> > statement that went out on Wednesday.
>> >> >
>> >> > On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK
>> >> > approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to
>> the
>> >> > Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sincerely,
>> >> >
>> >> > ______________________
>> >> > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>> >> > twitter.com/lordmwesh
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet <
>> >> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from
>> >> our
>> >> >> ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to
>> have a
>> >> >> structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does
>> one
>> >> >> present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed
>> >> >> there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How
>> >> come
>> >> >> the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> W.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
>> >> >> > Ali,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at
>> which
>> >> >> > technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal
>> >> >> > frameworks?..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which
>> >> always
>> >> >> > outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft
>> the
>> >> >> > most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can?. Just don't
>>
>> >> >> > impose
>> >> >> > them onto the rest of us.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses,
>> is
>> >> it
>> >> >> > legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent
>> ICT
>> >> >> > practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Waithaka Ngigi
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Alliance Technologies
>> >> >> > www.at.co.ke
>> >> >> > Original Message
>> >> >> > From: Ali Hussein via kictanet
>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM
>> >> >> > To: Ngigi Waithaka
>> >> >> > Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> >> >> > Cc: Ali Hussein
>> >> >> > Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION
>> COMMUNICATION
>> >> >> > TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Listers
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's
>> not
>> >> >> > let
>> >> >> > up on this.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Ali Hussein
>> >> >> > Principal
>> >> >> > Hussein & Associates
>> >> >> > +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> >> >> > Skype: abu-jomo
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>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>> >> thinking
>> >> >> > what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi
>>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sent from my iPad
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
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>> >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
>> development.
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>> COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
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>> Thanks Kivuva. Of course we just needed to show that we are doing
>> something but in my view; the bill is a load of nonsense that will not
>> succeed. I have been in this industry/profession for over 35 years
>> having been in the first computer science class in Chiromo in 1980 so my
>> views should be useful; it's just sad the whole thing was plotted as an
>> ambush until as late a having it in Parliament -possibly after sensing
>> that it would generate a lot of resistance. We are together and I'm
>> pleased I have so far not seen anyone supporting the bill on this list.
>> I hope it's not passed, but if it is, it will at best not work and at
>> worst inconvenience a lot of people.
>>
>> W.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote:
>> > @Waudo,
>> >
>> > The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been
>> > memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the bill
>> > in totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National
>> > Assembly have also been contacted to fight for the interests of the
>> > community, and moreso the youth. All this effort culminated with the
>> > CS of ICT issuing the statement that went out on Wednesday.
>> >
>> > On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK
>> > approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to the
>> > Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > ______________________
>> > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet
>> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> >> Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from
>> >> our ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to
>> >> have a structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format
>> >> does one present objections to the MPs since the bill has already
>> >> been rushed there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even
>> >> considering it? How come the CS has disowned it and yet it is still
>> >> moving forward?
>> >>
>> >> W.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
>> >> > Ali,
>> >> >
>> >> > It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
>> >> >
>> >> > And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at
>> >> > which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and
>> >> > legal frameworks?..." clearly does *not* understand technology,
>> >> > which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
>> >> >
>> >> > If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft
>> >> > the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can?. Just
>> >> > don't impose them onto the rest of us.
>> >> >
>> >> > On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses,
>> >> > is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they
>> >> > represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
>> >> >
>> >> > Waithaka Ngigi
>> >> >
>> >> > Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali
>> >> > Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi
>> >> > Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein
>> >> > Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION
>> >> > COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
>> >> >
>> >> > Listers
>> >> >
>> >> > Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's
>> >> > not let up on this.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 /
>> >> > 0770906375
>> >> >
>> >> > Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn:
>> >> > http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>> >> > thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi
>>
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my iPad
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
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>> >> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
>> >> > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in
>> >> > ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst
>> >> > for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT
>> >> > enabled growth and development.
>> >> >
>> >> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
>> >> > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's
>> >> > times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or
>> >> > personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your
>> >> > wares or qualifications.
>> >>
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>> >> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT
>> >> policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for
>> >> reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT
>> >> enabled growth and development.
>> >>
>> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
>> >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's
>> >> times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or
>> >> personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares
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