[kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
Tony White
tony.mzungu at gmail.com
Fri Jul 8 13:15:27 EAT 2016
+1 Rosemary
On 08/07/2016, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet
<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Once we kill this bill, the next course of action should be to make a
> petition querying the capacity of the above entity to to represent the ICT
> industry in Kenya based on its membership and other issues like their
> capacity to give informed thought in regards to the industry, they have
> clearly shown failure so far.
>
> The industry must only be represented by those who have the most true
> interests of the industry at heart not just another government body.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>
> Cell : +254 718181644/771632344
>
> Skype : Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Paul Korir via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Article 4 clause (1) (e) of the proposed law states the Council of the
>> proposed Institute shall consist of...
>>
>> "five persons of good professional standing nominated by the *Information
>> Communication Technology Association of Kenya*" [emphasis added]
>>
>> which elevates ICTAK (a members' society) to the level of a statutory
>> body! Clearly ICTAK is trying to entrench themselves into a legal body.
>>
>> Not good.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>> Paul K. Korir <http://www.paulkorir.com>
>> +353 86 224 19 66
>> *Ordnung muß sein*
>>
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>>> 1. Re: Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION
>>> TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
>>> (Ephraim Percy Kenyanito)
>>> 2. Re: Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION
>>> TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA (waudo siganga)
>>>
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>>> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:30:22 +0300
>>> From: Ephraim Percy Kenyanito <ephraim at accessnow.org>
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>>> On 8 July 2016 at 12:25, Liz Orembo via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Who are the members of ICTAK? Has anyone managed to check on their
>>> website?
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Tony White via kictanet <
>>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Another piece of absolute nonsense. Our ICT sector is too dynamic at
>>> >> present, compared with the other professions cited, which are settled
>>> >> and well established ...and are slow to change. The ICTAK is in
>>> >> favour of this because it promotes *their* agenda, which is not
>>> >> aligned with the profession as a whole - indeed, I suspect they are
>>> >> behind the bill's creation.
>>> >>
>>> >> Let's hope that CS Mucheru - who has stated that the bill is not
>>> >> ministry or government policy - will push for the rejection of the
>>> >> bill when it comes to a vote in the national assembly.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Tony
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 08/07/2016, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
>>> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >> > @Waudo,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have
>>> >> > been
>>> >> > memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the
>>> bill
>>> >> in
>>> >> > totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National
>>> >> > Assembly
>>> >> have
>>> >> > also been contacted to fight for the interests of the community,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> moreso
>>> >> > the youth. All this effort culminated with the CS of ICT issuing
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > statement that went out on Wednesday.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if
>>> >> > CSK
>>> >> > approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to
>>> the
>>> >> > Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sincerely,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ______________________
>>> >> > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>>> >> > twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet <
>>> >> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise
>>> >> >> from
>>> >> our
>>> >> >> ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to
>>> have a
>>> >> >> structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does
>>> one
>>> >> >> present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been
>>> >> >> rushed
>>> >> >> there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it?
>>> >> >> How
>>> >> come
>>> >> >> the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> W.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> > Ali,
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at
>>> which
>>> >> >> > technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal
>>> >> >> > frameworks?..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which
>>> >> always
>>> >> >> > outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them
>>> >> >> > draft
>>> the
>>> >> >> > most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can?. Just
>>> >> >> > don't
>>>
>>> >> >> > impose
>>> >> >> > them onto the rest of us.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK
>>> >> >> > uses,
>>> is
>>> >> it
>>> >> >> > legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent
>>> ICT
>>> >> >> > practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Waithaka Ngigi
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Alliance Technologies
>>> >> >> > www.at.co.ke
>>> >> >> > Original Message
>>> >> >> > From: Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM
>>> >> >> > To: Ngigi Waithaka
>>> >> >> > Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> >> >> > Cc: Ali Hussein
>>> >> >> > Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION
>>> COMMUNICATION
>>> >> >> > TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Listers
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's
>>> not
>>> >> >> > let
>>> >> >> > up on this.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Ali Hussein
>>> >> >> > Principal
>>> >> >> > Hussein & Associates
>>> >> >> > +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>> >> >> > Skype: abu-jomo
>>> >> >> > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>>> >> thinking
>>> >> >> > what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi
>>>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Sent from my iPad
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >
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>>> >> >> development.
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>>> >> ICT
>>> >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
>>> development.
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
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>>> > Best regards.
>>> > Liz.
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>>> development.
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>>> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 12:37:17 +0300
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>>>
>>> Thanks Kivuva. Of course we just needed to show that we are doing
>>> something but in my view; the bill is a load of nonsense that will not
>>> succeed. I have been in this industry/profession for over 35 years
>>> having been in the first computer science class in Chiromo in 1980 so my
>>> views should be useful; it's just sad the whole thing was plotted as an
>>> ambush until as late a having it in Parliament -possibly after sensing
>>> that it would generate a lot of resistance. We are together and I'm
>>> pleased I have so far not seen anyone supporting the bill on this list.
>>> I hope it's not passed, but if it is, it will at best not work and at
>>> worst inconvenience a lot of people.
>>>
>>> W.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote:
>>> > @Waudo,
>>> >
>>> > The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been
>>> > memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the bill
>>> > in totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National
>>> > Assembly have also been contacted to fight for the interests of the
>>> > community, and moreso the youth. All this effort culminated with the
>>> > CS of ICT issuing the statement that went out on Wednesday.
>>> >
>>> > On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK
>>> > approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to the
>>> > Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger.
>>> >
>>> > Sincerely,
>>> >
>>> > ______________________
>>> > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet
>>> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from
>>> >> our ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to
>>> >> have a structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format
>>> >> does one present objections to the MPs since the bill has already
>>> >> been rushed there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even
>>> >> considering it? How come the CS has disowned it and yet it is still
>>> >> moving forward?
>>> >>
>>> >> W.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:
>>> >> > Ali,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at
>>> >> > which technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and
>>> >> > legal frameworks?..." clearly does *not* understand technology,
>>> >> > which always outstrips policy & legal frameworks.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft
>>> >> > the most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can?. Just
>>> >> > don't impose them onto the rest of us.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses,
>>> >> > is it legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they
>>> >> > represent ICT practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Waithaka Ngigi
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke Original Message From: Ali
>>> >> > Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM To: Ngigi
>>> >> > Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein
>>> >> > Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION
>>> >> > COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Listers
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's
>>> >> > not let up on this.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 /
>>> >> > 0770906375
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn:
>>> >> > http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>>> >> > thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi
>>>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sent from my iPad
>>> >> >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
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>>> >> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
>>> >> > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in
>>> >> > ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst
>>> >> > for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT
>>> >> > enabled growth and development.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
>>> >> > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's
>>> >> > times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or
>>> >> > personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your
>>> >> > wares or qualifications.
>>> >>
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>>> >> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT
>>> >> policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for
>>> >> reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT
>>> >> enabled growth and development.
>>> >>
>>> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
>>> >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's
>>> >> times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or
>>> >> personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares
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>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
>> development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
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>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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