[kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views

[John Kieti]

Two questions on the proposed ICT law :
1. What problem are we solving?
2. Is it a problem worth solving?

Summarised answers to the above will help forge ahead.

Best!
On Jul 7, 2016 4:07 AM, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> By the way, we do not need (new) legislation to have an organisation that
> speaks for professionals or any group for that matter.
> The group just needs to organise themselves under existing frameworks eg
> form a society or union or association and slowly build a reputation that
> will earn it the title of the "voice" in that sector.
> There is no Act of Parliament just for KNUT yet KNUT must be consulted in
> matters education. KEPSA is not a statutory body and yet if legislation
> required "a representative from the most representative body of private
> sector" they would easily qualify.
> Let existing ICT professionals bodies gain legitimacy in the society
> through their work, not through legislation.
>
> Regards,
> On 6 Jul 2016 23:58, "awatila--- via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> #KillTheICTBill just started trending with 11150 tweets.
>>
>> https://twitter.com/trendinaliaKE/status/750765817957003264
>>
>> Sent from Samsung tablet
>> On Jul 6, 2016 3:47 PM, Alex Watila <awatila at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Walu,
>>
>> What is the way forward on the bill?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM
>> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>; Alex Watila <
>> awatila at yahoo.co.uk>
>> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
>>
>>
>>
>> @Alex, @Muthuri,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thnx for 'bursting' me @
>>
>>
>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html
>>
>>
>> It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views.  That the ICT professionals
>> should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to
>> guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments.  And that an Act
>> of Parliament would go  a long way in ensuring that such a voice is
>> grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or
>> future governments.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may
>> have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most
>> people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily
>> agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the
>> 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
>>
>>
>>
>> So there you have it :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> walu.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *To:* jwalu at yahoo.com
>> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>; Alex Watila <
>> awatila at yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online
>> Discussions
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Alex,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a
>> witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the
>> end of the day.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Alex,
>>
>> Bwana Walu seems to have ducked  "under" on this one, though my sentiment
>> would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the
>> ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than
>> what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on
>> regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the
>> worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory
>> frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder
>> input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle
>> the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost
>> 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing
>> innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
>>
>> So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..?
>> Where was the consultative engagement..?
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Walu,
>> Do you need to defend yourself?
>>
>>
>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila at yahoo.co.uk <awatila at yahoo.co.uk>]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM
>> To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001 at gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <
>> muthuridennis at gmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online
>> Discussions
>>
>> Dear All,
>> I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies,
>> governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
>>
>> It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to
>> be in the process of being given legal authority.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alex
>> https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kictanet [
>> mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf
>> Of Harry via kictanet
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM
>> To: awatila at yahoo.co.uk
>> Cc: Harry <harry26001 at gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online
>> Discussions
>>
>> Hey Dennis,
>>
>> Welcome on board..!
>>
>> The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in
>> 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You
>> can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at
>> www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
>>
>> Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers
>> ventilate on the  ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively
>> probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as
>> opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar
>> opinion, say 'aye'..
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Hary,
>>
>> Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I
>> joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the
>> matter.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
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>> Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
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>> Dennis Muthuri Mburugu
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