[kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views

Wed Jul 6 17:56:19 EAT 2016

It is not possible to regulate the ICT practitioners and I would be
interested to read this bill if someone who has it can share. Was it
done secretly and why? There is no country anywhere with a regulated"ICT
profession". Some years back when Nigeria had military rule and no
parliament some crafty people made such a bill which they gave to a
military man who signed it into law but the law has not effected up to
today even though its on the books (google this) because it cannot be.

 I hear the kenya bill is signed by Duale. Is he an ICT expert? How will
 it be forced if most people (as i gather) do not want it?

Some guidance also needed from ICT lawyers like Bomu and Sihanya. Can
someone just draft anything and get it into law or is there a process
that ensures wide involvement of stakeholders. Most techies have no idea
how parliament or law formulation works.

Walu I don't think I share your capitulation to political intrigues,
perceived or real. In kenya we passed that stage many years ag

Someone with the top secret bill please share, for possible comment.

W.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016, at 04:53 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet wrote:
> @Walu,
> 
> I often wonder, which is easier? Lobby Parliament and possibly still have
> it passed anyway or get a good lawyer and have a bad bill declared
> 'unconstitutional' as soon as its signed?
> 
> Rgds
> 
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> 
> > Listers,
> >
> > I think since everyone seems to be denying awareness and participation to
> > the Bill, the only way forward is to try and reach the Parliamentary
> > Committee on ICT (remember last theme on institutional makeup? - never
> > thought they would come into play so soon :-).
> >
> > They are the only ones who can pull the plug on this Bill (not even the CS
> > can help u :-).
> >
> > And with the tyranny of numbers in Parliament, this Bill is on a straight
> > trajectory to the house on hill and is likely to be signed into law.
> >
> > Unfortunately, all the stage that bill has reached is all political - and
> > that is a space I am least equipped to deal with.
> >
> > But if you know your MP, start lobbying and it would help if he or she
> > comes from the Majority party. It really now a question of
> > who-is-your-(god)father :-)
> >
> > If you are an activitist you may opt to sign up on
> > President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the ICT Practitioners Bill
> > <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
> >
> > President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the...
> > <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
> >
> >
> >
> > walu.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Kiprono Bryan via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > *To:* jwalu at yahoo.com
> > *Cc:* Kiprono Bryan <kipronobrian10 at gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <
> > muthuridennis at gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:56 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
> >
> > Multi-stakeholder need to be part and parcel of making any decision in ICT
> > Policy which is always considered as Best-Practice in any policy
> > development in any country.
> >
> > Maybe we can ask our top guys on board like of Walubengo, What is the way
> > forward after the current feedbacks here at KICTANET mailing list,Jadili
> > platform and social media?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kiprono Bryan
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Alex Watila via kictanet <
> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Walu,
> > What is the way forward on the bill?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> > *From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM
> > *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>; Alex Watila <
> > awatila at yahoo.co.uk>
> > *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
> >
> > @Alex, @Muthuri,
> >
> > Thnx for 'bursting' me @
> >
> >
> > http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html
> >
> >
> > It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
> >
> > Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views.  That the ICT professionals
> > should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to
> > guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments.  And that an Act
> > of Parliament would go  a long way in ensuring that such a voice is
> > grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or
> > future governments.
> >
> > However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may
> > have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most
> > people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape
> > it.
> >
> > In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily
> > agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the
> > 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
> >
> > So there you have it :-)
> >
> > walu.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > *To:* jwalu at yahoo.com
> > *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>; Alex Watila <
> > awatila at yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online
> > Discussions
> >
> > Thanks Alex,
> >
> > I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a
> > witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the
> > end of the day.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Alex,
> >
> > Bwana Walu seems to have ducked  "under" on this one, though my sentiment
> > would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the
> > ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than
> > what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on
> > regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the
> > worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory
> > frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder
> > input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle
> > the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost
> > 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing
> > innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
> >
> > So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where
> > was the consultative engagement..?
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Walu,
> > Do you need to defend yourself?
> >
> >
> > http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila at yahoo.co.uk <awatila at yahoo.co.uk>]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM
> > To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001 at gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <
> > muthuridennis at gmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online
> > Discussions
> >
> > Dear All,
> > I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies,
> > governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
> >
> > It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to
> > be in the process of being given legal authority.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alex
> > https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kictanet [
> > mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of
> > Harry via kictanet
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM
> > To: awatila at yahoo.co.uk
> > Cc: Harry <harry26001 at gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online
> > Discussions
> >
> > Hey Dennis,
> >
> > Welcome on board..!
> >
> > The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in
> > 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You
> > can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at
> > www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
> >
> > Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers
> > ventilate on the  ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively
> > probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as
> > opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar
> > opinion, say 'aye'..
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <
> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Hary,
> >
> > Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I
> > joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the
> > matter.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> > On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
> >
> > Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
> >
> >
> >
> > Dennis Muthuri Mburugu
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> >
> >
> >
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