[kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views

Wed Jul 6 16:53:04 EAT 2016

@Walu,

I often wonder, which is easier? Lobby Parliament and possibly still have
it passed anyway or get a good lawyer and have a bad bill declared
'unconstitutional' as soon as its signed?

Rgds

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> I think since everyone seems to be denying awareness and participation to
> the Bill, the only way forward is to try and reach the Parliamentary
> Committee on ICT (remember last theme on institutional makeup? - never
> thought they would come into play so soon :-).
>
> They are the only ones who can pull the plug on this Bill (not even the CS
> can help u :-).
>
> And with the tyranny of numbers in Parliament, this Bill is on a straight
> trajectory to the house on hill and is likely to be signed into law.
>
> Unfortunately, all the stage that bill has reached is all political - and
> that is a space I am least equipped to deal with.
>
> But if you know your MP, start lobbying and it would help if he or she
> comes from the Majority party. It really now a question of
> who-is-your-(god)father :-)
>
> If you are an activitist you may opt to sign up on
> President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the ICT Practitioners Bill
> <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
>
> President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the...
> <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
>
>
>
> walu.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Kiprono Bryan via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *To:* jwalu at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* Kiprono Bryan <kipronobrian10 at gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <
> muthuridennis at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
>
> Multi-stakeholder need to be part and parcel of making any decision in ICT
> Policy which is always considered as Best-Practice in any policy
> development in any country.
>
> Maybe we can ask our top guys on board like of Walubengo, What is the way
> forward after the current feedbacks here at KICTANET mailing list,Jadili
> platform and social media?
>
> Regards,
>
> Kiprono Bryan
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Alex Watila via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Thanks Walu,
> What is the way forward on the bill?
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex
>
>
> *From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM
> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>; Alex Watila <
> awatila at yahoo.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
>
> @Alex, @Muthuri,
>
> Thnx for 'bursting' me @
>
>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html
>
>
> It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
>
> Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views.  That the ICT professionals
> should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to
> guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments.  And that an Act
> of Parliament would go  a long way in ensuring that such a voice is
> grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or
> future governments.
>
> However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may
> have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most
> people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape
> it.
>
> In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily
> agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the
> 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
>
> So there you have it :-)
>
> walu.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *To:* jwalu at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>; Alex Watila <
> awatila at yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online
> Discussions
>
> Thanks Alex,
>
> I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a
> witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the
> end of the day.
>
> Regards
>
> On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Alex,
>
> Bwana Walu seems to have ducked  "under" on this one, though my sentiment
> would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the
> ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than
> what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on
> regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the
> worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory
> frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder
> input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle
> the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost
> 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing
> innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
>
> So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where
> was the consultative engagement..?
>
> Harry
>
> On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Walu,
> Do you need to defend yourself?
>
>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila at yahoo.co.uk <awatila at yahoo.co.uk>]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM
> To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001 at gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <
> muthuridennis at gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online
> Discussions
>
> Dear All,
> I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies,
> governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
>
> It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to
> be in the process of being given legal authority.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex
> https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet [
> mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of
> Harry via kictanet
> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM
> To: awatila at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: Harry <harry26001 at gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online
> Discussions
>
> Hey Dennis,
>
> Welcome on board..!
>
> The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in
> 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You
> can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at
> www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
>
> Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers
> ventilate on the  ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively
> probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as
> opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar
> opinion, say 'aye'..
>
> Harry
>
> On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Hary,
>
> Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I
> joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the
> matter.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
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> Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
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