[kictanet] Parliamentary Committee on Sports Betting

Wed Aug 10 08:04:10 EAT 2016

It's all about the tummy, they choose to act fast only where they can
benefit.
Regards,
Ronald Ojino

On 10-Aug-2016 6:59 AM, "Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> When parliament is really needed they decide not to act but choose to
> interfere where they are not needed.
>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/MPs-shoot-down-Jakoyo-Midiwo-
> gambling-Motion/1056-3337850-11c1qypz/index.html?platform=hootsuite
>
> Regards,
>
> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>
> On 8 Aug 2016 14:07, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Chinua Achebe. Things fall apart.
>>
>> Very apt my brother..
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>> *Principal*
>> *Hussein & Associates*
>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
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>>
>>
>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 8 Aug 2016, at 12:04 PM, Francis Monyango via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> "When hunters learned to shoot without missing, the birds learned to fly
>> without perching"
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2016 10:16, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Banning betting will not necessarily stop betting, it will instead
>>> eradicate it from legal channels.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 6 August 2016, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rosemary
>>>>
>>>> True that..
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>> *Principal*
>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 6 Aug 2016, at 6:24 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu <
>>>> chemukoechk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Cybertheft is not really innovation (actually the opposite) ,but sport
>>>> pesa is the only company worldwide that has managed to leverage on an
>>>> existing mobile payments platform, and that is where the innovation ends.
>>>> The Kenyan FinTech ecosystem has allowed the business to thrive which is in
>>>> a way a good thing because on a daily basis we are pushing forward new ways
>>>> of utilising mobile money...I support that there needs to be a thorough
>>>> clampdown on unscrupulous results of this.
>>>>
>>>> The only fascinating thing is what laws will evolve out of this, it
>>>> gives us a better understanding of the excesses that can result from
>>>> financial innovation and how best we can deal with this in future.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>>>>
>>>> On 6 Aug 2016 07:30, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whatever happened to the Charity Sweepstakes?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Charity-Sweepstake-loses-out-to
>>>>> -SMS-/1056-1057480-6usbe7/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's not garnish this issue. What's happening in Kenya and Africa is
>>>>> that we have bred a generation with a 'get-rich-quick' mindset which feeds
>>>>> the gambling industry. And I mean gambling here *NOT* gaming.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to be clear about differentiating 'Gaming' and 'Gambling'.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gaming*: The playing of a game or games, including but not limited
>>>>> to video games and games of chance..
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gaming
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gambling*: is the wagering of money or something of value (referred
>>>>> to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary
>>>>> intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Gambling thus
>>>>> requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize. The
>>>>> outcome of the wager is often immediate, such as a single roll of dice or a
>>>>> spin of a roulette wheel, but longer time frames are also common, allowing
>>>>> wagers on the outcome of a future sports contest or even an entire sports
>>>>> season.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I actually find super disturbing is the now common 'acceptance'
>>>>> of the interchange of the words *gambling *and* gaming. *
>>>>>
>>>>> *See Wikipedia on the issue below.*
>>>>>
>>>>> The term *gaming* in this context typically refers to instances in
>>>>> which the activity has been specifically permitted by law. The two
>>>>> words are not mutually exclusive; *i.e.*, a "gaming" company offers
>>>>> (legal) "gambling" activities to the public and may be regulated by
>>>>> one of many *gaming control boards*, for example, the *Nevada Gaming
>>>>> Control Board*. However, this distinction is not universally observed
>>>>> in the English-speaking world. For instance, in the UK, the regulator of
>>>>> gambling activities is called the *Gambling** Commission* (not the
>>>>> Gaming Commission). The word *gaming* is used more frequently since
>>>>> the rise of *Computer* and *Video Games* to describe activities that
>>>>> do not necessarily involve wagering, especially *Online Gaming*, with
>>>>> the new usage still not having displaced the old usage as the primary
>>>>> definition in common dictionaries.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to get back to the Charity Sweepstakes era. Period. Society
>>>>> depends on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my humble opinion there cannot be any comparison to what the ICT
>>>>> Industry is doing and what the Gambling Industry is doing. It's like saying
>>>>> cyber theft is innovative because the perpetrators are using ICT.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leta wake up and smell the coffee.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>> *Principal*
>>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>
>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Aug 2016, at 10:22 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The betting fraternity has benefited heavily from the fairly lax
>>>>> regulatory regime and have failed to make considerations on handling the
>>>>> effects that come as a result of the business,
>>>>>
>>>>> They have only one option and that is to figure out how they will
>>>>> guide the discussion on how they will be regulated.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few months ago they had the option of self regulating, but now the
>>>>> legislators have taken the lead.
>>>>>
>>>>> They may soon find themselves in the same boat as the ICT fraternity
>>>>> is in today, trying to fire hose a faulty proposed regulation I.e the ICT
>>>>> practitioners bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is agreed that there is a need to tame the gambling beast but it
>>>>> may be important to protect the innovations that have made their "success"
>>>>> possible. It may help the country if proposed regulation would ensure that
>>>>> the revenues earned from the industry are used for greater public good than
>>>>> is currently being felt, this may be the the only silver lining out of this
>>>>> cloud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Aug 2016 16:00, "James Mbugua via kictanet" <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From an ICT perspective,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Safaricom should be asked to switch off their short codes for these
>>>>>> betting firms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via kictanet <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gamification. it's amazing how the debate around gambling has chosen
>>>>>>> to focus on monetary gains, addiction and other associative proclivities.
>>>>>>> How would one for instance compare sports gambling with pokemon? There are
>>>>>>> accounts of an individual who racked a bill of $4,954 a Japanese gymnast in
>>>>>>> Rio thanks to Pokemon Go... Catch ‘em all or go broke tryin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me they are both innovations riding on two precincts, one a
>>>>>>> supporting infrastructure - mobile and two consumers psychographics. Much
>>>>>>> needs to be done to support and ensure the government benefits from a
>>>>>>> fiscal  angle of such innovations. I welcome parliamentary committee move
>>>>>>> to seek to understand the gamification phenomenon but ask it to be careful
>>>>>>> not put duress the sports betting firms that might lead to the firms
>>>>>>> contributing to there campaign kitty's to assuage tinkering of policies to
>>>>>>> their advantage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your thoughts from an ICT perspective?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>
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