[kictanet] Parliamentary Committee on Sports Betting

Wed Aug 10 06:57:54 EAT 2016

When parliament is really needed they decide not to act but choose to
interfere where they are not needed.

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/MPs-shoot-down-Jakoyo-Midiwo-gambling-Motion/1056-3337850-11c1qypz/index.html?platform=hootsuite

Regards,

Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu

On 8 Aug 2016 14:07, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
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> Chinua Achebe. Things fall apart.
>
> Very apt my brother..
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> On 8 Aug 2016, at 12:04 PM, Francis Monyango via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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> "When hunters learned to shoot without missing, the birds learned to fly
> without perching"
>
> On Aug 8, 2016 10:16, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Banning betting will not necessarily stop betting, it will instead
>> eradicate it from legal channels.
>>
>> On Saturday, 6 August 2016, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Rosemary
>>>
>>> True that..
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>> *Principal*
>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
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>>>
>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2016, at 6:24 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu <chemukoechk at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cybertheft is not really innovation (actually the opposite) ,but sport
>>> pesa is the only company worldwide that has managed to leverage on an
>>> existing mobile payments platform, and that is where the innovation ends.
>>> The Kenyan FinTech ecosystem has allowed the business to thrive which is in
>>> a way a good thing because on a daily basis we are pushing forward new ways
>>> of utilising mobile money...I support that there needs to be a thorough
>>> clampdown on unscrupulous results of this.
>>>
>>> The only fascinating thing is what laws will evolve out of this, it
>>> gives us a better understanding of the excesses that can result from
>>> financial innovation and how best we can deal with this in future.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2016 07:30, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whatever happened to the Charity Sweepstakes?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Charity-Sweepstake-loses-out-to
>>>> -SMS-/1056-1057480-6usbe7/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Let's not garnish this issue. What's happening in Kenya and Africa is
>>>> that we have bred a generation with a 'get-rich-quick' mindset which feeds
>>>> the gambling industry. And I mean gambling here *NOT* gaming.
>>>>
>>>> We need to be clear about differentiating 'Gaming' and 'Gambling'.
>>>>
>>>> *Gaming*: The playing of a game or games, including but not limited to
>>>> video games and games of chance..
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gaming
>>>>
>>>> *Gambling*: is the wagering of money or something of value (referred
>>>> to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary
>>>> intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Gambling thus
>>>> requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize. The
>>>> outcome of the wager is often immediate, such as a single roll of dice or a
>>>> spin of a roulette wheel, but longer time frames are also common, allowing
>>>> wagers on the outcome of a future sports contest or even an entire sports
>>>> season.
>>>>
>>>> What I actually find super disturbing is the now common 'acceptance' of
>>>> the interchange of the words *gambling *and* gaming. *
>>>>
>>>> *See Wikipedia on the issue below.*
>>>>
>>>> The term *gaming* in this context typically refers to instances in
>>>> which the activity has been specifically permitted by law. The two
>>>> words are not mutually exclusive; *i.e.*, a "gaming" company offers
>>>> (legal) "gambling" activities to the public and may be regulated by
>>>> one of many *gaming control boards*, for example, the *Nevada Gaming
>>>> Control Board*. However, this distinction is not universally observed
>>>> in the English-speaking world. For instance, in the UK, the regulator of
>>>> gambling activities is called the *Gambling** Commission* (not the
>>>> Gaming Commission). The word *gaming* is used more frequently since
>>>> the rise of *Computer* and *Video Games* to describe activities that
>>>> do not necessarily involve wagering, especially *Online Gaming*, with
>>>> the new usage still not having displaced the old usage as the primary
>>>> definition in common dictionaries.
>>>>
>>>> We need to get back to the Charity Sweepstakes era. Period. Society
>>>> depends on it.
>>>>
>>>> In my humble opinion there cannot be any comparison to what the ICT
>>>> Industry is doing and what the Gambling Industry is doing. It's like saying
>>>> cyber theft is innovative because the perpetrators are using ICT.
>>>>
>>>> Leta wake up and smell the coffee.
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>> *Principal*
>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
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>>>>
>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Aug 2016, at 10:22 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The betting fraternity has benefited heavily from the fairly lax
>>>> regulatory regime and have failed to make considerations on handling the
>>>> effects that come as a result of the business,
>>>>
>>>> They have only one option and that is to figure out how they will guide
>>>> the discussion on how they will be regulated.
>>>>
>>>> A few months ago they had the option of self regulating, but now the
>>>> legislators have taken the lead.
>>>>
>>>> They may soon find themselves in the same boat as the ICT fraternity is
>>>> in today, trying to fire hose a faulty proposed regulation I.e the ICT
>>>> practitioners bill.
>>>>
>>>> It is agreed that there is a need to tame the gambling beast but it may
>>>> be important to protect the innovations that have made their "success"
>>>> possible. It may help the country if proposed regulation would ensure that
>>>> the revenues earned from the industry are used for greater public good than
>>>> is currently being felt, this may be the the only silver lining out of this
>>>> cloud.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Aug 2016 16:00, "James Mbugua via kictanet" <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From an ICT perspective,
>>>>>
>>>>> Safaricom should be asked to switch off their short codes for these
>>>>> betting firms.
>>>>>
>>>>> JG
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gamification. it's amazing how the debate around gambling has chosen
>>>>>> to focus on monetary gains, addiction and other associative proclivities.
>>>>>> How would one for instance compare sports gambling with pokemon? There are
>>>>>> accounts of an individual who racked a bill of $4,954 a Japanese gymnast in
>>>>>> Rio thanks to Pokemon Go... Catch ‘em all or go broke tryin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me they are both innovations riding on two precincts, one a
>>>>>> supporting infrastructure - mobile and two consumers psychographics. Much
>>>>>> needs to be done to support and ensure the government benefits from a
>>>>>> fiscal  angle of such innovations. I welcome parliamentary committee move
>>>>>> to seek to understand the gamification phenomenon but ask it to be careful
>>>>>> not put duress the sports betting firms that might lead to the firms
>>>>>> contributing to there campaign kitty's to assuage tinkering of policies to
>>>>>> their advantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your thoughts from an ICT perspective?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
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