[kictanet] Parliamentary Committee on Sports Betting

Wed Aug 10 09:39:29 EAT 2016

True Ronald!

Very sad.

On 10 Aug 2016 08:04, "Ronald Ojino" <ronojinx at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's all about the tummy, they choose to act fast only where they can
> benefit.
> Regards,
> Ronald Ojino
>
> On 10-Aug-2016 6:59 AM, "Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> When parliament is really needed they decide not to act but choose to
>> interfere where they are not needed.
>>
>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/MPs-shoot-down-Jakoyo-Midiwo-ga
>> mbling-Motion/1056-3337850-11c1qypz/index.html?platform=hootsuite
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>>
>> On 8 Aug 2016 14:07, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Chinua Achebe. Things fall apart.
>>>
>>> Very apt my brother..
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>> *Principal*
>>> *Hussein & Associates*
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>>>
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>>>
>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2016, at 12:04 PM, Francis Monyango via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> "When hunters learned to shoot without missing, the birds learned to fly
>>> without perching"
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2016 10:16, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Banning betting will not necessarily stop betting, it will instead
>>>> eradicate it from legal channels.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 6 August 2016, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rosemary
>>>>>
>>>>> True that..
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>> *Principal*
>>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>
>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>>>> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2016, at 6:24 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu <
>>>>> chemukoechk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Cybertheft is not really innovation (actually the opposite) ,but sport
>>>>> pesa is the only company worldwide that has managed to leverage on an
>>>>> existing mobile payments platform, and that is where the innovation ends.
>>>>> The Kenyan FinTech ecosystem has allowed the business to thrive which is in
>>>>> a way a good thing because on a daily basis we are pushing forward new ways
>>>>> of utilising mobile money...I support that there needs to be a thorough
>>>>> clampdown on unscrupulous results of this.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only fascinating thing is what laws will evolve out of this, it
>>>>> gives us a better understanding of the excesses that can result from
>>>>> financial innovation and how best we can deal with this in future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2016 07:30, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever happened to the Charity Sweepstakes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Charity-Sweepstake-loses-out-to
>>>>>> -SMS-/1056-1057480-6usbe7/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's not garnish this issue. What's happening in Kenya and Africa is
>>>>>> that we have bred a generation with a 'get-rich-quick' mindset which feeds
>>>>>> the gambling industry. And I mean gambling here *NOT* gaming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to be clear about differentiating 'Gaming' and 'Gambling'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Gaming*: The playing of a game or games, including but not limited
>>>>>> to video games and games of chance..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gaming
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Gambling*: is the wagering of money or something of value (referred
>>>>>> to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary
>>>>>> intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Gambling thus
>>>>>> requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize. The
>>>>>> outcome of the wager is often immediate, such as a single roll of dice or a
>>>>>> spin of a roulette wheel, but longer time frames are also common, allowing
>>>>>> wagers on the outcome of a future sports contest or even an entire sports
>>>>>> season.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I actually find super disturbing is the now common 'acceptance'
>>>>>> of the interchange of the words *gambling *and* gaming. *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *See Wikipedia on the issue below.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The term *gaming* in this context typically refers to instances in
>>>>>> which the activity has been specifically permitted by law. The two
>>>>>> words are not mutually exclusive; *i.e.*, a "gaming" company offers
>>>>>> (legal) "gambling" activities to the public and may be regulated by
>>>>>> one of many *gaming control boards*, for example, the *Nevada Gaming
>>>>>> Control Board*. However, this distinction is not universally
>>>>>> observed in the English-speaking world. For instance, in the UK, the
>>>>>> regulator of gambling activities is called the *Gambling*
>>>>>> * Commission* (not the Gaming Commission). The word *gaming* is used
>>>>>> more frequently since the rise of *Computer* and *Video Games* to
>>>>>> describe activities that do not necessarily involve wagering, especially
>>>>>>  *Online Gaming*, with the new usage still not having displaced the
>>>>>> old usage as the primary definition in common dictionaries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to get back to the Charity Sweepstakes era. Period. Society
>>>>>> depends on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my humble opinion there cannot be any comparison to what the ICT
>>>>>> Industry is doing and what the Gambling Industry is doing. It's like saying
>>>>>> cyber theft is innovative because the perpetrators are using ICT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leta wake up and smell the coffee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>>> *Principal*
>>>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2016, at 10:22 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The betting fraternity has benefited heavily from the fairly lax
>>>>>> regulatory regime and have failed to make considerations on handling the
>>>>>> effects that come as a result of the business,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have only one option and that is to figure out how they will
>>>>>> guide the discussion on how they will be regulated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few months ago they had the option of self regulating, but now the
>>>>>> legislators have taken the lead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They may soon find themselves in the same boat as the ICT fraternity
>>>>>> is in today, trying to fire hose a faulty proposed regulation I.e the ICT
>>>>>> practitioners bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is agreed that there is a need to tame the gambling beast but it
>>>>>> may be important to protect the innovations that have made their "success"
>>>>>> possible. It may help the country if proposed regulation would ensure that
>>>>>> the revenues earned from the industry are used for greater public good than
>>>>>> is currently being felt, this may be the the only silver lining out of this
>>>>>> cloud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2016 16:00, "James Mbugua via kictanet" <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From an ICT perspective,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Safaricom should be asked to switch off their short codes for these
>>>>>>> betting firms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Timothy- Coach- Oriedo via kictanet
>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gamification. it's amazing how the debate around gambling has
>>>>>>>> chosen to focus on monetary gains, addiction and other associative
>>>>>>>> proclivities. How would one for instance compare sports gambling with
>>>>>>>> pokemon? There are accounts of an individual who racked a bill of $4,954 a
>>>>>>>> Japanese gymnast in Rio thanks to Pokemon Go... Catch ‘em all or go broke
>>>>>>>> tryin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For me they are both innovations riding on two precincts, one a
>>>>>>>> supporting infrastructure - mobile and two consumers psychographics. Much
>>>>>>>> needs to be done to support and ensure the government benefits from a
>>>>>>>> fiscal  angle of such innovations. I welcome parliamentary committee move
>>>>>>>> to seek to understand the gamification phenomenon but ask it to be careful
>>>>>>>> not put duress the sports betting firms that might lead to the firms
>>>>>>>> contributing to there campaign kitty's to assuage tinkering of policies to
>>>>>>>> their advantage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your thoughts from an ICT perspective?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>
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