[kictanet] Orange to exit, CS to yank the NOFBI contract from orange

Tue Mar 25 21:06:27 EAT 2014

Collins, I shared the same sentiments with you, also because the
Government of Kenya is the largest local shareholder in Safaricom. But
deep down, I have reservations. Market leaders and monopolies should
not be strengthened, this is to safeguard the end user, and maintain
the quality of service. Safaricom makes obscene profits, yet they are
the most expensive network, with poor quality (according to a CCK
report). This means they fleece the end user for the benefit of
shareholders. For that reason alone, NOFBI should not end up at
Safaricom. That would virtually kill all competition in the data and
enhanced services segment. If by any means ICTA is thinking of
offloading NOFBI to Safaricom, we will go at them with all we have. I
hope Mutoro you are listening.

Sincerely

On 25/03/2014, Collins Areba <arebacollins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not safaricom itself? Love or loathe it, they know how to bring in the
> dollars back to the shareholders... Isnt that what it ultimately be about to
> the "investors"?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I suspect KPLC will mainly focus on supplying capacity to ISPs, I doubt
>> they will have a retail push anytime soon.
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Charles Kimani <ckimani at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> @James,
>>>
>>> The questions you quote vis à vis KPLC are valid.
>>>
>>> I am sure they are similar to the questions Safaricom had to answer when
>>> deciding to go into banking business (M-PESA) - Only that the ICT
>>> regulatory regime is much easier compared to banking.
>>>
>>> It's all about opportunities and their "hunger" for it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Charles
>>>> On 25 Mar 2014 15:55, "James Mbugua" <jgmbugua at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> KPLC has those plans long term. THe question is whether to create a new
>>>> subsidiary or not given their core business is electricity distribution
>>>> and the fiber business differs in several ways: 1. Different regulator
>>>> 2. Different competitive landscape (Elec is a monopoly) 3. Requires
>>>> different sets of competencies and so on.
>>>>
>>>> But you are right, KP is a legitimate challenger as is
>>>> KBC/Multichoice/SIGNET.
>>>>
>>>> Back to Orange - THese guys have been asleep...incurable sleep!
>>>>
>>>> Internet to the home alone could have been fetching them billions with
>>>> control of NOFBI and a large urban landline network.
>>>>
>>>> Kileleshwa for example would have been easy pickings for them connecting
>>>> up the whole place as it was being built.
>>>>
>>>> I think the faster they are kicked out the better. We have no need for
>>>> their antics of asset stripping, company devaluing .
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> @Ngigi I also think Kenya power is sitting on an extremely lucrative
>>>>> opportunity. They have dark fiber allover yet they don't deploy to the
>>>>> households. If every building connected to the mains also had a fiber
>>>>> connection dropped to it then Kenya Power would be the defacto
>>>>> broadband infrastructure provider. They could then carve up the regions
>>>>> and auction them to the likes of Zuku, JTL or Access Kenya. Or be the
>>>>> provider themselves through a wholly owned subsidiary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> The way I see it, I doubt anyone can come from outside and solve the
>>>>>> issues with OrangeKE/Telkom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The solution as to how it could be revived to a top notch contender
>>>>>> would have to come from within.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking inwards, the one firm that could have the Synergies and muscle
>>>>>> to take it to Safcom in my best bet would be KPLC!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They understand infrastructure,  they understand last mile, they
>>>>>> understand how to distribute electricity, they could make a play for
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I know we have the blackouts, but we could work on that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alliance Technologies
>>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.A1.io
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 Mar 2014 13:07, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think its about time the Govt kicked them out. All they do is whine
>>>>>>> and sit on assets e.g NOFBI, iPhone, plenty of Land, only existing
>>>>>>> landline network, etc. I would have thought e would la Fiber where
>>>>>>> there is now copper but they would rather ask for more money from the
>>>>>>> Govt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Phares Kariuki
>>>>>>>> <pkariuki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In Uganda, MTN wants to purchase Orange, that's confirmed, not sure
>>>>>>>> about rest of Africa.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:58 AM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any truth to the rumours that MTN might take over Orange's
>>>>>>>>> operations in Africa?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:51 AM, S.M. Muraya
>>>>>>>>>> <murigi.muraya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Orange persisted in enforcing bandwidth caps even on ADSL losing
>>>>>>>>>> business to Zuku (Wimax and Fiber) which did not insist such
>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth caps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trust local shareholders + new local investors will get a Kenyan
>>>>>>>>>> CEO/Business Leader to sort out Telkom Kenya.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Think of Uchumi supermarkets and how it recovered under sound
>>>>>>>>>> Kenyan leadership :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Murigi / Stanley Muraya
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control
>>>>>>>>>> than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It's now clear that Orange will be exiting the East African
>>>>>>>>>>> market by end of the year.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In an apparent related development the CS has given Orange notice
>>>>>>>>>>> that the Government intends to cancel the NOFBI contract. This is
>>>>>>>>>>> as it should be. The Government is making the right move yanking
>>>>>>>>>>> this out of a partner who unfortunately through either ineptitude
>>>>>>>>>>> or inability to read the market or both has turned one of Kenya's
>>>>>>>>>>> Crown Jewels into so much confetti..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious though what next for NOFBI? Will it be collapsed into
>>>>>>>>>>> the new proposed PPP for infrastructure? I'm sure the industry
>>>>>>>>>>> will be following this with interest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Orange-exit-set-to-rock-telcom-market/-/1950946/2256276/-/format/xhtml/-/7wvdim/-/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The
>>>>>>>>>>> world will have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phares Kariuki
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>> Phares Kariuki
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