[kictanet] Incompetence gallore

Wed Sep 25 17:12:58 EAT 2013

Still related to this thread, probably we need to find out if this info
from al-shabaab is true or just propaganda.

"@UKenyatta and his govt are to be held culpable for #Westgate and for the
lives of the 137 hostages who were being held by the Mujahideen"

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On 25 September 2013 16:18, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Kenyans, a new challenge
>
> We have moved up the ranks of international rankings in corruption, child
> bearing, HIV infections, HIV cures and now let as aim to beat the number of
> homicides per 100,000 kbfs.
>
> James are you serious?
>
> What I am asking is that we use our talents and be weary of the
> repercussions when we get to the pearly gates of ahera just to be turned
> back because we buried ours in the ground for we new our master was a cruel
> and mean master or reapt where he did not sow.
>
> 1.  Get the police off the road and lets use the traffic lights and flog
> those who do not respect them, on the spot.  The terrorists must have been
> in stitches as they passed the various police manned junctions.
> 2.  Those who use county (formerly council) parking on a daily basis
> please buy seasonal tickets so as to reduce the temptation to bribe, you
> will also have made sure that your payments gets into the rightful coffers.
> 3.  If you have total dark tint on your car windows remove them as you
> will realise the folly of having them when you have been car jacked and
> watch as you pass police who cannot see you sandwiched between the two
> thugs with guns on their laps
> 4.  In IT security the greatest threat is from those within which is why
> now we implement behavior detection solutions not padlocks, razor wire and
> mirrors to protect our assets let us work on developing intelligence
> systems that work towards prevention.
> 5.  Tomorrow when you visit some of this highly secure locations after the
> askari has finished checking your boot asking if a "bomb" can fit under the
> rear seat or within the spare tire, and when at the reception they ask you
> to leave behind your ID ask them how they expect your body to be identified
> if you dropped dead in the corridor - I really hate mediocrity especially
> when we institutionalize the same.
> 6.  Those who have access to the owners of the paybill number 848484
> please ask them if they can provide a toll free number for the police and
> also connectivity to all the police stations and police posts so that we
> can finally get back our 999, to hell with 911 I will never remember it
> when under pressure.
> 7.  If you have access to the CS ICT and the acting head of the KICTA
> please ask them to include some component of funding to equip the emergency
> services call center instead of having hackathons to develop applications
> that will never see the light of day.
> 8.  A year or so ago we raised 1 billion to help those who had been
> affected by famine and then we killed them faster by sending them grains
> infected with Aflatoxin yet no one followed up, we have also never seen a
> comprehensive report on how the funds where used which confirms what has
> been echoed on this thread - we are rotten to the core both public and
> private sector
> 9.  We recently had a rogue bus driver kill 41 Kenyans I saw no counseling
> desks, hash tags, or paybill numbers all because those affected were far
> removed from those of us who can drive our private cars to the village,
> what happened on Saturday is a culmination of our arrogant disregard for
> the less fortunate amongst us.  Let us have a uniform response to
> calamities irrespective of which social strata is affected all of us spent
> 9 months in our mothers wombs
> 10.  Many of you, I distance myself, do not know what happens in the lives
> of the many, every day at the various matatu terminus be it in the CBD or
> the farthest corner of Kayole the owners are being extorted by the so
> called touts.  I calculated the amount recently when waiting to take a
> matatu home, the stage operators make 100 - 200 shillings from each matatu
> that originates or terminates at the terminus.  An average matatu does 20
> trips and there are about 50 matatus on my route, do the math.
>
> If the entire security system can look the other way as this goes on right
> under their noses how do we expect them to identify a terrorist activity?
>
> I need to get home, hope I have left you with some food for thought as we
> participate in implementing and supporting pedestrian solutions to
> herculean problems
>
> Regards
>
> PS.  Can we take up the setting up of the emergency services system as our
> CSR? lol
>
> Robert Yawe
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> Kenya
>
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 25 September 2013, 15:33
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Incompetence gallore
>
>
> Nairobi Homicides per 100,000 people = 4
>
> Memphis, Tennessee No.10 most dangerous US City Murders per 100,000 = 24.5
>
> Top 3 are Flint, Michigan (64.9 murders per 100,000 people), Detroit
> 54.6/1000 and New Orleans, Louisiana 53.5.
>
> With 4 per 100,00, I would say Nairobi, although has work that needs to be
> done, should be judged first and foremost on the nature of its society and
> hence these comparative figures...Lack of the 911, police equipment or
> vehicles, may not be the problem but the accomodating nature of this
> society...After all, American cities with more than enough emergency lines
> operators, vehicles and so on are suffering crime rates beyond the realm of
> Nairobians' imagination (More than 10 times).
>
> We are not equipped for terrorist attacks that we have learnt just like
> NYC learn with 9/11 where many firemen and policemen died rushing into the
> towers to aid, the important thing is what lessons to draw from here.
>
> Otherwise, for someone from say the US or UK which are highly
> individualistic societies may find the lack of sufficient patrol cars a
> problem but in a society where informal social support systems pervade
> every level of society like Kenya's calling the neighbour to help is
> usually enough.
>
> James
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru at zilojo.com>wrote:
>
>  Hello Adam,
>
> I agree with you on all the points below.
>
> The level of professionalism in certain parts of public sector is
> diabolical.
>
> When I was in Kigali some time back, a kid told his father - who had just
> littered the street with a paper - that if he did not pick it up he would
> report him to the police...
>
> At iHub, I always pay City Council and ensure I get a receipt. Which I
> promptly claim as a business expense.
>
> That helps reduce the tax I pay  Ceaser each year.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On 09/25/2013 11:03 AM, Adam Nelson wrote:
>
> I drove by a dead body this morning on the bypass between Wayaki way and
> Grevillea Grove.  He was clearly beaten to death and been there for some
> time.  We called an emergency line and ostensibly the police will come.  On
> Ngong Rd across from Brew Bistro 2 weeks ago a boy was killed by a truck
> and his body lay on the side of the street for 2 hours (Ngong Rd, one of
> the busiest in town) before anybody official arrived at the scene.
>
>  How can it be expected that the Nairobi police handle one of the most
> complex hostage crises of the decade when they can't even respond to a dead
> body on the side of a major thoroughfare within 2 hours?
>
>  I visited Kigali 3 weeks ago and what it made me realize is that it's
> not an 'African thing' or a 'Developing World thing' that Nairobi is a
> disaster.  It's a total lack of excellence at every level of government.
>  Kigali is better run in every respect than Nairobi and for the most part,
> it just comes down to better management.
>
>  I'm not one for recriminations and at a time like this am mostly just
> sad.  In the end, I'm an American and can't effect change here - it's up to
> Nairobians and Kenyans to say enough is enough and to demand that the
> public safety system be reformed.
>
>  1. A 911 (or 999) emergency call center
> 2. All police wearing ID numbers and equipped with a ticket book so they
> can write tickets
> 3. A new type of police with a different uniform that receive double pay
> but will be fired if found guilty of corruption
> 4. All police equipped with a mode of transportation (even just a mountain
> bike)
> 5. All police equipped with a radio
>
>  Is this too much to ask of a city that bills itself as the capital of
> anything?
>
>  -Adam
>
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>
>  On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   A Standard article explains how disorderly and dangerous the operation
> was, Kenyans troops killed each other, and endangered the lives of hostages
> in a haphazard operation.
>
> The familiar shoot to kill order was given out http://t.co/M5tJ67KcPk
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
>  ------------------------------
> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>  Sent: 25/09/2013 08:29
>  To: Dennis Kioko Mbuvi <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
>  Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>  Subject: [kictanet] Incompetence gallore
>
>        Editorial from a Saudi Paper
>
>    -    Something wrong in Kenya
>
>    There can be no denying the extraordinary challenges facing the Kenyan
>    government. Yet as the last terrorists were being rooted out of Nairobi’s
>    Westgate shopping mall at the end of a slaughter spree that has killed some
>    70 people and injured hundreds more, the Kenyan authorities need to be
>    asking themselves some hard questions.
>
>    This is a country which because it is actively involved in combating
>    Al-Shabab terrorists in Somalia is supposed to be on the very highest state
>    of alert. Kenya did not choose this confrontation. In 1998 it was an
>    amiably corrupt and easygoing country with merely a nasty record of armed
>    robberies, mostly of rich Western tourists.
>
>    Then Al-Qaeda launched one of its very first international attacks, a
>    deadly assault on the US embassy in the Kenyan capital which left 224
>    people dead the great majority of them Kenyans. Thereafter, there was a
>    succession of small attacks by the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabab which
>    culminated in raids on Kenyan coastal tourist resorts and a Somali refugee
>    camp, targeting and kidnapping foreigners.
>
>    It was the final straw. Nairobi sent troops into Somali striking
>    Al-Shabab fighters in the rear as they were pressed from the north by
>    African Union forces. Thereafter, the terrorists resorted to low-level
>    violence, mostly hit and run grenade attacks across the Somali border,
>    until the attack by some 15 heavily armed men on the supposedly
>    well-guarded up-market Westgate shopping center. The attackers managed to
>    negotiate their way with all their weaponry through the capital’s
>    roadblocks. They contrived to organize their deadly assault without the
>    Kenyan intelligence services picking up the slightest inkling of what was
>    about to happen.
>
>    Something has got to be wrong somewhere. And the closer one looks at
>    the way the tragic events unfolded, the more difficult questions it seems
>    that the Kenyan authorities have to answer. Why for instance did it take
>    almost half an hour for the first properly armed and equipped teams to
>    arrive at the shopping mall? Why was there no proper building evacuation
>    scheme nor any obvious plan to respond to a terrorist outrage within the
>    complex?
>
>    Acts of bravery by shopping center staff, individual police officers
>    and ordinary members of the public cannot mask what appears to have been a
>    series of bungles by all those who should have been responsible for the
>    safety of the complex and its visitors. Journalists noted that when
>    heavily-armed special forces arrived, some seemed nervous and confused,
>    perhaps as a result of the shouting that could be heard from senior
>    officers who themselves seemed poorly briefed and unprepared and as a
>    result unsure of how best to proceed. The inevitable report into this
>    horrific event may find that by delaying a rapid and firm response to the
>    attack, the authorities permitted the terrorists to continue their killing
>    spree and also allowed them to consolidate their position within the mall.
>
>    Perhaps a clue to what went so disastrously wrong at the Westgate mall
>    can be found in the devastating fire at Nairobi’s Jomo Kenyatta
>    International Airport last month. Though the blaze broke out in the early
>    morning, meaning no one was killed, the extent of the fire and the
>    extraordinary delays in getting fire appliances to the scene raised major
>    questions about the competence of the Kenyan authorities. The Westgate
>    tragedy must compound these serious concerns.
>
>
>
>
>
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