[kictanet] New comment on "#IFMIS Reloaded? Is this the silver bullet to corruption?"

Mon Oct 21 22:45:32 EAT 2013

And talking about 'Loopholes', we are not alone!!

http://www.biztechafrica.com/article/malawi-review-ifmis-ict-security-policy/7084/#.UmWDoBA2eAA

regards
Bob.

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:53 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> @Ngigi,
>
> Any chance we can get a flow diagram of how IFMIS was intended to work as
> I am sure the flaws and loopholes will be glaring.
>
> Regards
>
> PS.  You can launch a satellite with an iPad
>
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
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>   On Friday, 11 October 2013, 21:24, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
> wrote:
>  Look like institutionalized corruption. Are we that hopeless?
>
> On 11/10/2013, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
> > Listers,
> >
> > First we have to look at 2 things here, IFMIS the Government project to
> > automate the Financial affairs of Treasury and the technology platform
> > behind it, Oracle. We can't really fault technology here as I want to
> > believe Oracle Financials has been implemented successfully in a couple
> of
> > projects.
> >
> > The way I see it is that IFMIS cannot and should not be used to stop
> > corruption, but, its supposed to put in checks & balances in the whole
> > process so as to make corruption that much more difficult and / or
> provide
> > reports that can be used in an Audit Trail.
> >
> > Any system that allows 1 out of 3 transactions to be suspect cannot vouch
> > to be a properly implemented system whichever way one looks at it! If, as
> > an example, you are issuing Imprests through the system and this Imprest
> is
> > not accounted for, and you continue to issue more of the same Imprest to
> > persons who have millions already unaccounted for, then the system has
> > simply been implemented badly or maybe implemented/designed in such a way
> > that its is going to fail.
> >
> > So far, we have spent a few billion shillings on IFMIS, hiring expensive
> > consultants from Dubai, buying servers with capacity that can be used to
> > launch Space Satellites, and yet the end result is simply the same as if
> we
> > were to go manual.
> >
> > We are also rolling out the same system that allows 1/3 of suspect
> > transactions to go through to the Counties, without first getting it
> right
> > in the Central Government, in yet the clearest indication that the new
> > County Governments are all about Devolved Corruption.
> >
> > Bottomline, there are those who are benefiting from the current status
> quo.
> > The Civil Servants who don't bother to attach supporting documents when
> > filing for payments on IFMIS, knowing very well the system will accept
> them
> > regardless and those who are benefiting every time this country spends a
> > few billion shillings in acquiring yet more modules, when the basic ones
> > are not even up to scratch.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
> >
> >> Edward/Listers
> >>
> >> Apologies for cross posting but I couldn't help but share Edward's
> >> comments penned in the CIO LinkedIn Group.
> >>
> >> See email thread below.
> >>
> >> Ali Hussein
> >>
> >> +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
> >>
> >> "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall
> >> but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:58 PM, CIO East Africa Forum <
> >> groups-noreply at linkedin.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>  [image: LinkedIn]
> >> <
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/4raa2c-hmnhdvj8-v/hom/eml-fllw_infl-h-logo/?hs=false&tok=0eObf9inhCllY1
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  CIO East Africa Forum
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  #IFMIS Reloaded? Is this the silver bullet to
> >> corruption?<
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/4raa2c-hmnhdvj8-v/vaq/5793625941162872832/2204816/5794430646457753600/view_disc/?hs=false&tok=1vQl74wdZCllY1
> >
> >>
> >>    Hi All
> >>
> >> My name is Edward and I have been privileged to be an IFMIS trainer i.e.
> >> via a consultancy at Treasury we were responsible to train government
> >> officials on how to use the new IFMIS system. Its basically an Oracle
> >> platform with all accounting modules i.e. GL, AR, AP, PO, CM and FA
> >>
> >> Other than the clunky and sometimes confusing oracle interface, the
> >> technology platform is OK. Being that it's an oracle platform its able
> to
> >> handle quite a huge amount of traffic and data from ministerial to
> county
> >> levels.
> >>
> >> Several security and control measures also exist to ensure correct
> >> procedures are followed.
> >>
> >> Often times I would pose in class and ask these gentlemen and ladies
> from
> >> GoK what their opinion on corruption and the IFMIS system was and the
> >> surprising answer is that they all agreed that though the system
> provided
> >> a
> >> role in fighting corruption, the main agents of corruption were the
> >> officers themselves who continuously find new ways of cheating the
> >> system.
> >>
> >> In one class I was amused when one gentleman remarked that Kenyan babies
> >> are special. So special that when they come out of their mothers womb,
> >> they
> >> already know how to be corrupt.
> >>
> >> My conclusion to the whole bit is that there is no system smart enough
> to
> >> stop or eliminate corruption. Systems can only make it harder or slow
> >> down
> >> the process of corruption, but if someone is determined to be corrupt,
> >> there is no stopping them. To get rid of corruption we have to look into
> >> ourselves we as human beings, we as Kenyans, we as stakeholders of this
> >> great country and make the decisions and choices that would see us a
> >> better
> >> country far removed from this vice.
> >>
> >> Edward Ongeso
> >> CTO Integrity Systems Ltd  By Edward Ongeso
> >>
> >>
> >> Like<
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> >>
> >> •
> >>
> >>
> >> Comment<
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> >>
> >> •
> >>
> >>  Follow
> >> Edward<
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