<div dir="ltr"><div>And talking about 'Loopholes', we are not alone!!<br><br><a href="http://www.biztechafrica.com/article/malawi-review-ifmis-ict-security-policy/7084/#.UmWDoBA2eAA">http://www.biztechafrica.com/article/malawi-review-ifmis-ict-security-policy/7084/#.UmWDoBA2eAA</a><br>
<br></div>regards<br>Bob.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:53 AM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif">@Ngigi,<br>
<br>Any chance we can get a flow diagram of how IFMIS was intended to work as I am sure the flaws and loopholes will be glaring.<br><br>Regards<br><br>PS.� You can launch a satellite with an iPad<br><div><span><br></span></div>
<div>�</div><div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya</div><div><br><br></div><div>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696</div><div style="display:block">
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<div><div class="h5"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Friday, 11
October 2013, 21:24, Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" target="_blank">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br> </font> </div> </div></div><div><div><div class="h5">Look like institutionalized corruption. Are we that hopeless?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">On 11/10/2013, Ngigi Waithaka <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:ngigi@at.co.ke" target="_blank">ngigi@at.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> Listers,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> First we have to look at 2 things here, IFMIS the Government project to<br clear="none">
> automate the Financial affairs of Treasury and the technology platform<br clear="none">> behind it, Oracle. We can't really fault technology here as I want to<br clear="none">> believe Oracle Financials has been implemented successfully in a couple of<br clear="none">
> projects.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> The way I see it is that IFMIS cannot and should not be used to stop<br clear="none">> corruption, but, its
supposed to put in checks & balances in the whole<br clear="none">> process so as to make corruption that much more difficult and / or provide<br clear="none">> reports that can be used in an Audit Trail.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">> Any system that allows 1 out of 3 transactions to be suspect cannot vouch<br clear="none">> to be a properly implemented system whichever way one looks at it! If, as<br clear="none">> an example, you are issuing Imprests through the system and this Imprest is<br clear="none">
> not accounted for, and you continue to issue more of the same Imprest to<br clear="none">> persons who have millions already unaccounted for, then the system has<br clear="none">> simply been implemented badly or maybe implemented/designed in such a way<br clear="none">
> that its is going to fail.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> So far, we have spent a few billion shillings on IFMIS, hiring
expensive<br clear="none">> consultants from Dubai, buying servers with capacity that can be used to<br clear="none">> launch Space Satellites, and yet the end result is simply the same as if we<br clear="none">> were to go manual.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">> We are also rolling out the same system that allows 1/3 of suspect<br clear="none">> transactions to go through to the Counties, without first getting it right<br clear="none">> in the Central Government, in yet the clearest indication that the new<br clear="none">
> County Governments are all about Devolved Corruption.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Bottomline, there are those who are benefiting from the current status quo.<br clear="none">> The Civil Servants who don't bother to attach supporting documents when<br clear="none">
> filing for payments on IFMIS, knowing very well the system will accept them<br clear="none">> regardless and those who
are benefiting every time this country spends a<br clear="none">> few billion shillings in acquiring yet more modules, when the basic ones<br clear="none">> are not even up to scratch.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">
> Regards<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Ali Hussein <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">>> Edward/Listers<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Apologies for cross posting but I couldn't help but share Edward's<br clear="none">>> comments penned in the CIO LinkedIn Group.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">>> See email thread below.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Ali Hussein<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">
>> "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall<br clear="none">>> but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Sent from my iPad<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">>> On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:58 PM, CIO East Africa Forum <<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:groups-noreply@linkedin.com" target="_blank">groups-noreply@linkedin.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>>� [image: LinkedIn]<br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/4raa2c-hmnhdvj8-v/hom/eml-fllw_infl-h-logo/?hs=false&tok=0eObf9inhCllY1" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/e/4raa2c-hmnhdvj8-v/hom/eml-fllw_infl-h-logo/?hs=false&tok=0eObf9inhCllY1</a>><br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>>� CIO East Africa Forum<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>>� #IFMIS Reloaded? Is this the silver bullet to<br clear="none">
>> corruption?<<a shape="rect" href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/4raa2c-hmnhdvj8-v/vaq/5793625941162872832/2204816/5794430646457753600/view_disc/?hs=false&tok=1vQl74wdZCllY1" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/e/4raa2c-hmnhdvj8-v/vaq/5793625941162872832/2204816/5794430646457753600/view_disc/?hs=false&tok=1vQl74wdZCllY1</a>><br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">>>� � Hi All<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> My name is Edward and I have been privileged to be an IFMIS trainer i.e.<br clear="none">>> via a consultancy at Treasury we were responsible to train government<br clear="none">
>> officials on how to use the new IFMIS system. Its basically
an Oracle<br clear="none">>> platform with all accounting modules i.e. GL, AR, AP, PO, CM and FA<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Other than the clunky and sometimes confusing oracle interface, the<br clear="none">
>> technology platform is OK. Being that it's an oracle platform its able to<br clear="none">>> handle quite a huge amount of traffic and data from ministerial to county<br clear="none">>> levels.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">>> Several security and control measures also exist to ensure correct<br clear="none">>> procedures are followed.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Often times I would pose in class and ask these gentlemen and ladies from<br clear="none">
>> GoK what their opinion on corruption and the IFMIS system was and the<br clear="none">>> surprising answer is that they all agreed that though the system provided<br clear="none">>> a<br clear="none">
>> role in fighting corruption, the main agents of corruption were the<br clear="none">>> officers themselves who continuously find new ways of cheating the<br clear="none">>> system.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">
>> In one class I was amused when one gentleman remarked that Kenyan babies<br clear="none">>> are special. So special that when they come out of their mothers womb,<br clear="none">>> they<br clear="none">
>> already know how to be corrupt.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> My conclusion to the whole bit is that there is no system smart enough to<br clear="none">>> stop or eliminate corruption. Systems can only make it harder or slow<br clear="none">
>> down<br clear="none">>> the process of corruption, but if someone is determined to be corrupt,<br clear="none">>> there is no stopping them. To get rid of corruption we have to look into<br clear="none">
>> ourselves we as human beings, we as Kenyans, we as stakeholders of this<br clear="none">>> great country and make the decisions and choices that would see us a<br clear="none">>> better<br clear="none">
>> country far removed from this vice.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Edward Ongeso<br clear="none">>> CTO Integrity Systems Ltd� By Edward Ongeso<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">
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