[kictanet] New comment on "#IFMIS Reloaded? Is this the silver bullet to corruption?"

Mon Oct 14 11:13:12 EAT 2013

@Yawe,

There are quite a lot of documents you will get if you search for "Kenya
IFMIS Re-Engineering" on Google. Thats what the Ksh 1B was for...

As regards that satellite, yes, in Ghz terms you can launch a Satelite
using the equivalent iPad power, but then there are such things as
calculating optimal flight paths, time window(s) to launch, redundancy,
chips checking other chips, flight computation (avoiding all those flight
debris we keep leaving up there) and of course making sure we track the
Sun, which I am sure the hardware we are using to check whether a Delivery
has a matching LPO would be more than sufficient :-)

Waithaka Ngigi
A1.iO

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:53 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> @Ngigi,
>
> Any chance we can get a flow diagram of how IFMIS was intended to work as
> I am sure the flaws and loopholes will be glaring.
>
> Regards
>
> PS.  You can launch a satellite with an iPad
>
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
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>
>    On Friday, 11 October 2013, 21:24, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
> wrote:
>  Look like institutionalized corruption. Are we that hopeless?
>
> On 11/10/2013, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
> > Listers,
> >
> > First we have to look at 2 things here, IFMIS the Government project to
> > automate the Financial affairs of Treasury and the technology platform
> > behind it, Oracle. We can't really fault technology here as I want to
> > believe Oracle Financials has been implemented successfully in a couple
> of
> > projects.
> >
> > The way I see it is that IFMIS cannot and should not be used to stop
> > corruption, but, its supposed to put in checks & balances in the whole
> > process so as to make corruption that much more difficult and / or
> provide
> > reports that can be used in an Audit Trail.
> >
> > Any system that allows 1 out of 3 transactions to be suspect cannot vouch
> > to be a properly implemented system whichever way one looks at it! If, as
> > an example, you are issuing Imprests through the system and this Imprest
> is
> > not accounted for, and you continue to issue more of the same Imprest to
> > persons who have millions already unaccounted for, then the system has
> > simply been implemented badly or maybe implemented/designed in such a way
> > that its is going to fail.
> >
> > So far, we have spent a few billion shillings on IFMIS, hiring expensive
> > consultants from Dubai, buying servers with capacity that can be used to
> > launch Space Satellites, and yet the end result is simply the same as if
> we
> > were to go manual.
> >
> > We are also rolling out the same system that allows 1/3 of suspect
> > transactions to go through to the Counties, without first getting it
> right
> > in the Central Government, in yet the clearest indication that the new
> > County Governments are all about Devolved Corruption.
> >
> > Bottomline, there are those who are benefiting from the current status
> quo.
> > The Civil Servants who don't bother to attach supporting documents when
> > filing for payments on IFMIS, knowing very well the system will accept
> them
> > regardless and those who are benefiting every time this country spends a
> > few billion shillings in acquiring yet more modules, when the basic ones
> > are not even up to scratch.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
> >
> >> Edward/Listers
> >>
> >> Apologies for cross posting but I couldn't help but share Edward's
> >> comments penned in the CIO LinkedIn Group.
> >>
> >> See email thread below.
> >>
> >> Ali Hussein
> >>
> >> +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
> >>
> >> "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall
> >> but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:58 PM, CIO East Africa Forum <
> >> groups-noreply at linkedin.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>  [image: LinkedIn]
> >> <
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/4raa2c-hmnhdvj8-v/hom/eml-fllw_infl-h-logo/?hs=false&tok=0eObf9inhCllY1
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  CIO East Africa Forum
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  #IFMIS Reloaded? Is this the silver bullet to
> >> corruption?<
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/4raa2c-hmnhdvj8-v/vaq/5793625941162872832/2204816/5794430646457753600/view_disc/?hs=false&tok=1vQl74wdZCllY1
> >
> >>
> >>    Hi All
> >>
> >> My name is Edward and I have been privileged to be an IFMIS trainer i.e.
> >> via a consultancy at Treasury we were responsible to train government
> >> officials on how to use the new IFMIS system. Its basically an Oracle
> >> platform with all accounting modules i.e. GL, AR, AP, PO, CM and FA
> >>
> >> Other than the clunky and sometimes confusing oracle interface, the
> >> technology platform is OK. Being that it's an oracle platform its able
> to
> >> handle quite a huge amount of traffic and data from ministerial to
> county
> >> levels.
> >>
> >> Several security and control measures also exist to ensure correct
> >> procedures are followed.
> >>
> >> Often times I would pose in class and ask these gentlemen and ladies
> from
> >> GoK what their opinion on corruption and the IFMIS system was and the
> >> surprising answer is that they all agreed that though the system
> provided
> >> a
> >> role in fighting corruption, the main agents of corruption were the
> >> officers themselves who continuously find new ways of cheating the
> >> system.
> >>
> >> In one class I was amused when one gentleman remarked that Kenyan babies
> >> are special. So special that when they come out of their mothers womb,
> >> they
> >> already know how to be corrupt.
> >>
> >> My conclusion to the whole bit is that there is no system smart enough
> to
> >> stop or eliminate corruption. Systems can only make it harder or slow
> >> down
> >> the process of corruption, but if someone is determined to be corrupt,
> >> there is no stopping them. To get rid of corruption we have to look into
> >> ourselves we as human beings, we as Kenyans, we as stakeholders of this
> >> great country and make the decisions and choices that would see us a
> >> better
> >> country far removed from this vice.
> >>
> >> Edward Ongeso
> >> CTO Integrity Systems Ltd  By Edward Ongeso
> >>
> >>
> >> Like<
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> >>
> >> •
> >>
> >>
> >> Comment<
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> >>
> >> •
> >>
> >>  Follow
> >> Edward<
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