[kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.
Ali Hussein
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> On Oct 19, 2013, at 8:49 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>
> Dr. Yonah,
> I will certainly start the discourse around this in the next two
> conferences I attend. I shall be in India next week for their
> e-government conference then next month I will be in South Africa to
> discuss their Broadband Strategy and in December again in SA for the ICTD
> conference in Cape Town.
>
> Regards.
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
>
>> Dear Dr. Ndemo and Walu,
>>
>> Having participated in driving the reduction of prices of broadband
>> connectivity in Tanzania (core/transport Backhaul) by over 99% compared to
>> 2009 prices; it is now time to agree on what we mean "Broadband". Further,
>> I suggest we seriously agree on what it means to connect xxxxxx to ICTs,
>> to
>> help/guide all researchers in reporting about meeting the WSIS targets by
>> 2015. Please recall...the first six targets are about connecting xxxx to
>> ICTs. Here they are:
>>
>> 1.To connect villages with ICTs and establish community access points.
>> 2.To connect universities, colleges, secondary schools and primary schools
>> with ICTs.
>> 3.To connect scientific and research centers with ICTs
>> 4.To connect public libraries, cultural centers, museums, post offices and
>> archives with ICTs.
>> 5.To connect health centers and hospitals with ICTs.
>> 6.To connect all local and central government departments and establish
>> websites and email addresses.
>>
>> Dr. Ndemo, comming up with a harmonised definition certainly will help
>> data
>> collectors to give our region a fair reporting. I request your thoughts on
>> this.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> __________________________________
>> *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
>> *Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
>> *P. O. Box 32736*
>> *Dar es Salaam*
>> *Tanzania*
>> *Tel: +255-784-786429*
>> *Fax: +255--732-920133*
>> *Email: **engzaipuna at ieee.org* <engzaipuna at ieee.org>
>> ===============================
>> *It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& *
>> *Advancing Technology for Humanity!*
>> *===============================*
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Hassan Wekesa <hwekesa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Walu,
>>> The same argument also applies to the measure economists use to gauge
>>> growing economies in Africa. When they say country A has the fastest
>>> growing economy, you wonder what parameters have been used. You cannot
>>> compare a country that has just gained stability after maybe civil
>>> unrest
>>> and a country that has been stable in terms of economic stability.
>>> It is apparent that the latter will have a higher GDP than the former
>>> and
>>> thus cannot be used as a benchmark for comparison. Having said that, I
>>> guess the same analogy can be used in comparing the cost of verifying
>>> where
>>> the cost of broadband is cheaper.
>>> Hassan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Zaipuna Yonah
>>> <zaipuna.yonah at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Ndemo,
>>>>
>>>> I salute you! Thanks for the additional insights.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________
>>>> *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
>>>> *Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
>>>> *P. O. Box 32736*
>>>> *Dar es Salaam*
>>>> *Tanzania*
>>>> *Tel: +255-784-786429*
>>>> *Fax: +255--732-920133*
>>>> *Email: **engzaipuna at ieee.org* <engzaipuna at ieee.org>
>>>> ===============================
>>>> *It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& *
>>>> *Advancing Technology for Humanity!*
>>>> *===============================*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Bitange Ndemo
>>>> <bitange at jambo.co.ke>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eng. Dr. Yonah,
>>>>> The average is one of the measures of central tendency. It is not
>>>>> used
>>>>> without looking at other measures in order to give you a clear
>>>>> picture.
>>>>> You always should know the range and the standard deviation. We
>>>>> usually
>>>>> use the average or the mean to get you the rough estimate. In a
>>>>> population the mean is closer to the truth but in a sample collected
>>>>> randomly, it can vary but not too much. There is always a problem
>>>>> with
>>>>> data gathering where some people may not understand the ethics behind
>>>>> authentic data. There are numerous occasions when people lie with
>>>>> statistics.
>>>>>
>>>>> In essence we should not blindly dismiss any numbers unless we have
>>>>> looked
>>>>> at the methodology which is always not given although it is a
>>>>> requirement
>>>>> in such data.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Walu! Very helpful indeed. But it reminded me of a book I
>>>>> once
>>>>> read
>>>>>> called: "The Enemy called Average" by John Mason! It is always
>>>>> misleading
>>>>>> when you report by numerical rankings instead of group rankings
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> using averages!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my early years of learning signal processing, I learnt that the
>>>>>> mathematical operator called average is really a FILTER that only
>>>>> extracts
>>>>>> the DC value from the noisy signal (data). It throws out ALL THE
>>>>> NOISE
>>>>> if
>>>>>> indeed you have a very very large (infinity) data sample. Else the
>>>>> average
>>>>>> is very noisy! This is the catchy 22 in the integrity of the
>>>>> reported
>>>>>> figures!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, thanks Walu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________
>>>>>> *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
>>>>>> *Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
>>>>>> *P. O. Box 32736*
>>>>>> *Dar es Salaam*
>>>>>> *Tanzania*
>>>>>> *Tel: +255-784-786429*
>>>>>> *Fax: +255--732-920133*
>>>>>> *Email: **engzaipuna at ieee.org* <engzaipuna at ieee.org>
>>>>>> ===============================
>>>>>> *It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& *
>>>>>> *Advancing Technology for Humanity!*
>>>>>> *===============================*
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Far from it...this is not "dollarization" of our economies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is just that researchers have to find a way of defining
>>>>>>> "affordability"
>>>>>>> across different economic domains in order to eventually provide an
>>>>>>> objective ranking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ITU defines affordability as a function of average incomes.
>>>>> Consider
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If average incomes in country A = 100Euros (just to avoid the
>>>>> dollar
>>>>>>> focus
>>>>>>> :-), while in country B it is = 200Euros. And If in BOTH countries
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> 1mbs
>>>>>>> Internet link goes for 50Euros per month, which of these two
>>>>> countries
>>>>>>> enjoys cheaper internet services?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 50Euros in Country A happens to be 50% of the average income while
>>>>> 50%
>>>>>>> Euros in Country B is only 25% of the average incomes. Would you
>>>>> like
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> live in a country where internet costs 50% of your salary or where
>>>>> its
>>>>>>> 25%
>>>>>>> of your salary? Country A is considered to be twices as expensive
>>>>> as
>>>>>>> Country B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Country B is therefore considered to have cheaper internet services
>>>>>>> (even
>>>>>>> though internet does costs the SAME in Euro terms across both
>>>>>>> countries).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not sure if its clearer or worse :-)
>>>>>>> walu.
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 10/16/13, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest
>>>>> Broadband
>>>>>>> Internet in E-Africa.
>>>>>>> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe at gmail.com>, "I-Network Uganda" <
>>>>>>> i-network at dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz at yahoogroups.com>,
>>>>>>> "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
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>>>>>>> Dear Walu,
>>>>>>> Are you suggesting we approve with open arms the
>>>>>>> mammon called dollarization? I am just
>>>>>>> curious!
>>>>> http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanzanian-Economy.pdf/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We surely have a long way to go in creating our
>>>>>>> own information even though we have our own knowledge about
>>>>>>> issues like this.
>>>>>>> Keep thinking and discussing...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________________________________
>>>>>>> Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
>>>>>>> Consulting Engineer in ICTs
>>>>>>> P. O. Box
>>>>>>> 32736
>>>>>>> Dar es
>>>>>>> Salaam
>>>>>>> Tanzania
>>>>>>> Tel:
>>>>>>> +255-784-786429
>>>>>>> Fax:
>>>>>>> +255--732-920133
>>>>>>> Email: engzaipuna at ieee.org
>>>>>>> ===============================
>>>>>>> It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing
>>>>>>> Technology for
>>>>>>> Humanity!===============================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013
>>>>>>> at 9:36 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>> @Brian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar
>>>>>>> to be members of ITU and then we consistently ignore their
>>>>>>> research output for various reasons - including lying :-).
>>>>>>> In which case we should at least stop being members and save
>>>>>>> the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been
>>>>>>> around for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms
>>>>>>> and we should at least give their report some little respect
>>>>>>> and attention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research
>>>>>>> like what Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with
>>>>>>> Research ICT Africa report- whic shows that actually .TZ has
>>>>>>> the most affordable internet services. From the quick
>>>>>>> reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT
>>>>>>> Africa failed to do was that they did not
>>>>>>> "normalize" their figures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in
>>>>>>> the US and it is also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still
>>>>>>> considered more expensive in Kenya because of differentials
>>>>>>> in national income levels i.e. they are not equally
>>>>>>> affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to
>>>>>>> spend the 1USD than the Kenyan would.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT
>>>>>>> report against national income levels, we would most likely
>>>>>>> arrive at the same (ITU) conclusion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> walu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the
>>>>>>> cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network at dgroups.org>,
>>>>>>> "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz at yahoogroups.com>,
>>>>>>> "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a lie, I am here and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> frustrated with high costs of broadband...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> customer knows the truth!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consulting Engineer in ICTs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P. O. Box
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 32736
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dar es
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salaam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tanzania
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel: +255-784-786429
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fax: +255--732-920133
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: engzaipuna at ieee.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===============================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is About Engineering People's
>>>>>>> Lives! & Advancing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Technology for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Humanity!===============================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Folks,(apologies for cross-posting)
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and
>>>>>>> TZ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> by virtue of "owning" the International Internet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet
>>>>>>> costs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> terms of affordability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his
>>>>>>> salary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to connect to a broadband internet link. In SA it is about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4% of their GNI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those who can withstand the statistics/readings can pull
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Executive Report at
>>>>> http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/publications/mis2013/MIS2013-exec-sum_E.pdf
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> @ CS Matiang'i - this could be part of your bedtime
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> reading collection :-)
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